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I think that their leaders should sit down and negotiate, rather than stick weapons in the hands of ordinary people and deter Russia with the threat of causing genocide. Nobody wins in that scenario, unless Russia backs down which seems unlikely at this point in time. Dialogue is the way forward, not improvised video game weapons.

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The Ukrainian president was open to discussing a ceasefire and dialog, sounds like Russia isn’t interested at this time.

Everyone only wants to discuss a ceasefire on their terms. Not very useful.

Let's just settle this through a fair fight.

Russia just said Ukraine said no to a ceasefire and dialog.

https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1497553764517036035?t=5WjH...

It's almost a parody, but with real innocent deaths.

If anything has been proven in the last one month, it's that Putin says one thing and does another.

I bet the exact opposite happened. Ukraine must have offered ceasefire and Russia said no.

I can confirm that. BBC says this was offered by the Ukrainians but Russia chose not to engage.

Thank you for your expert confirmation and no less from such a reliable source as BBC.

I don’t believe that for a second

Negotiate what exactly? It's a war of aggression.

Putin articulated his ultimatums for Kyiv: Recognize Crimea as Russian - Rejection of NATO accession - No weapons supplies from the West - LNR and DNR gain territory that the regions had pre 2014

Or, and this might be a wild idea, Russia could mind it's own god damn business in it's own god damn territory seeing as how 50% of that list is "respect our previous wars of aggression against your territory" and "don't join alliances which would've prevented our wars of aggression against your territory".

But the internet is rife with Russian shills at every turn right now.

I'm sure the internet is rife with Russian shills, but there are also a number of non-interventionists who don't want to get whipped up into a war frenzy and get involved another foreign war.

I wish Russia and NATO/US could agree to a basic Neutrality and non-intervention treaty for Georgia and Ukraine.

Well golly gee, I guess the last 20 years of Ukraine not being in NATO was just too much of a risk. Nothing says "don't try and join NATO" like ongoingly and continually trying to invade and conquer a country because they're not a member of NATO.

Hey, I wish we lived in a perfect world too. I really do, but countries have conflicting interests, and always put their security first. The first step in navigating the real world is understanding that things are not perfect, and trying to understand the motivations of others. Russia has an agenda, NATO has an agenda, and Ukraine has an agenda. The more people are in denial about this fact, the more suffering there will be.

The nefarious Ukrainian agenda of checks notes "continuing to exist as a sovereign democratic entity by the self-determination of its people".

Negotiate on whether to invade Ukraine or not?

Dialogue & militarization isn't a mutually exclusive choice as in some video game either

Ukraine needs to be able to threaten a costly conquest for Russia, as other countries are showing they won't intervene with their own military. Only when they can demonstrate that cost will there be incentive for dialogue from an attacking force

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