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Really? He is fighting to have veto over who gets to join NATO. It will be a victory for him if he is able to freeze NATO membership to the current number.

Russian economy maybe be ruined for next decade or longer and most likely Putin will be dead or retired by then but he would be looked in Russia as the guy who keep Russia relevant.

Putin is embarrassing US and NATO by destroying Ukraine while they watch helplessly. I have utmost sympathy for Ukraine but where were the angry people when US attacked Iraq?

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> I have utmost sympathy for Ukraine but where were the angry people when US attacked Iraq?

"On February 15, millions of people protested, in approximately 800 cities around the world. Listed by the 2004 Guinness Book of Records as the largest protest in human history". There is a whole page on all the protest for that particular topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War

> I have utmost sympathy for Ukraine but where were the angry people when US attacked Iraq?

In many cases, calling for George W. Bush and much of the military and diplomatic leadership of the US to be punished for the crime of aggression (initially) and war crimes (based on the conduct of the illegal-from-the-start war).

Should really be extended to much further. To soldiers, to financial supporters of those and their parties, to voters. All complicit and hands covered in blood.

> I have utmost sympathy for Ukraine but where were the angry people when US attacked Iraq?

There were massive protests. I was at one in San Francisco.

There were protests by over a million people in the UK when coalition forces invaded Iraq.

To address your other point, victory for Putin here is swift regime change in Ukraine, nothing else will serve.

He may have overreached and if he has he will bleed Russia dry within months and be overthrown. Let’s hope so as he is a despicable person and a tyrannical curse on his country.

You replied to a report about two more Northern European countries joining NATO who seem to have been against it before by saying Putin is freezing NATO membership where it is?

It seems like things are going completely opposite of the way you describe them.

Sweden and Finland is NOT joining NATO, if that is what you think.

Sweden and Finland are definitely NOT committing to never joining NATO, if that is what you think.

He will be the guy that turned Russia into a complete pariah.

At some point other Russians in power will realize that Putin is the cause of their troubles, that's one of the better roads to an acceptable outcome here.

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