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Now the original comment is flagged and gone. I will still leave this reply here because it expands on the original comments claim with more sources than just Wikipedia;

> We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev, an open act of aggression just as irresponsible as a military incursion. CIA John Brennan, Senator John McCain, and Diplomat Victoria Nuland were there in Ukraine when Yanukovych was being overthrown. There is also evidence to show that we were involved through NGOs in overthrowing and promoting an atmosphere desiring the overthrow of Yanukovych.

This is an aspect to this that way too many people just ignore as "Russian misinformation".

The Orange revolution was a prior US attempt [0] at facilitating a regime-change in Ukraine from pro-Russian politics to pro-Western politics, which failed.

In 2014 there was the next attempt McCain not only riling up protesters [1], but meeting with the future PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk and leader of right-wing militias Oleh Tyahnybok [2] that were the muscle behind the 2014 revolution [3].

Arseniy Yatsenyuk was already declared the US's "man" during the leaked "Fuck the EU Nuland" calls [4], same Victoria Nuland that was literally handing out cookies to Ukrainian protesters [5].

Yatsenyuk wasn't even too shy about these connections; His OpenUkraine foundation's list of partners reads like the who is who of US regime change actors, down to the CIA's a National Endowment for Democracy and literal NATO itself [6].

Tho it was a bit too blatant, so they ended up putting his wife in charge of the foundation and removing the partners list.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-uk...

[2] https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahn...

[3] https://youtu.be/KfD_CaSIxmQ

[4] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

[5] https://euobserver.com/tickers/122437

[6] https://web.archive.org/web/20140407065419/http://openukrain...

Arseniy Yatsenyuk is not in power since 2016, what that has to do with invasion of Ukraine?

And only power he got was that in autumn of 2014 his party got a fairly good numbers, that's why he became a PM, not because Americans have put him there.

> Arseniy Yatsenyuk is not in power since 2016, what that has to do with invasion of Ukraine?

It has to do with the fact that the country has been in a civil war [0] since he came into power after the "revolution of dignity", not only him, but literally Americans who were fast tracked Ukrainian citizenship [1] so they could act as minister.

But a whole lot of people in those East Ukrainian territories liked the old government, they voted for it, and they saw their votes burned in a revolution to be replaced with Americans and people sponsored by them.

Which prompted them to do the same in their parts of Ukraine, leading to the separatists territories and a low to high intensity civil war that has by now been lasting 8 years.

> And only power he got was that in autumn of 2014 his party got a fairly good numbers

In elections where the old party was not even allowed to be voted for anymore, consequently, those elections were boycotted in territories that voted for the old government.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Jaresko

Are you seriously giving me links on this? I was there, I participated in those elections. Yanukovych was nearing the end of his term, he ordered snipers to shoot at protesters, it was only right for him to step down. The next step was re-elections.

And believe me, people never really liked Yanukovych so much to take arms. The leaders of “separatists” were literal nobodies, nobody knew who they are. Members of Yanukovych party themselves did not en masse supported separatists.

Second, politicians from Party of Regions participated in both 2014 and 2019 parliamentary elections. Same politicians, top Yanukovych lieutenants, with the same oligarchic sponsors.

Third, those elections were not “boycotted” people still participated, on territory controlled by Ukrainian government.

> I was there

You were there and then missed the following 8 years of civil war, complete with separatist territories, to now ask "What has any of that to do with the invasion?"?

> Yanukovych was nearing the end of his term, he ordered snipers to shoot at protesters, it was only right for him to step down.

Afaik there was no order for government snipers to shoot protesters, those sniper shots hit protesters and police alike, using hunting cartridges, and the government probe into those shootings was extremely flawed [0]

Just like to this day nobody was ever charged for shooting police officers.

> The next step was re-elections.

As somebody who was apparently there, do you remember who provided "security" for those elections at the Rada?

> The leaders of “separatists” were literal nobodies, nobody knew who they are.

Quite an accomplishment for "nobodies that nobody knows" to be representatives of state parliaments, like that of Crimea.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-killings-probe-sp...

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