5nm is only a marketing term and has no relation to any actual phyiscal feature
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TSMC 5nm: 171 MTr/mm2 in 2021 (for apple A15)
Intel 10nm: 100.76 MTr/mm2 in 2021 (for 12th core-i)
Intel keep saying they will win in the future, while they seems forget TSMC will improve too. Comparing Intel 10nm with TSMC 7nm is outdated.
Or is there any objective metrics to determine which one is better, other than MTr/mm2?
[1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16823/intel-accelerated-offen...
> Or is there any objective metrics to determine which one is better, other than MTr/mm2?
There are many, many objective metrics. Many are interdependent, many are tunable or selectable within certain ranges, many are in opposition, most are highly secretive, and all of them influence he type of device being made, the circuit design, logic, in different ways.
Even the experts with all the data for a particular technology and with a particular device in mind can't necessarily tell at a glance whether a change would be worthwhile. And even the meaning of worthwhile varies for the end-user of the device depending where their workload is. Make the middle-performing transistor slightly faster and leakier? Great you can close timing at a few ps faster but the device uses more power and is hotter, good for some customers bad for others.
Even simple density is not that simple in the fine details. Density can be in opposition to leakage, switching speeds, wire RC and propagation delay, etc.
There isn't an easy way to compare and there never will be.
> The term "5 nm" is simply a commercial name for a generation of a certain size and its technology, and does not represent any geometry of the transistor.
And I learnt something new: it seems like MTr/mm² is the metric in use now. I wonder if marketing will find a way to co-opt that?
That's not true. There are some new "retro" consoles whose primary marketing feature is that they are 8 bit. For example the RES Plus' primary marking feature is that it plays 8 bit games.
If you have a need to understand this, shouldn't you be close enough to the field to discern marketing speak from the underlying technical details?
It's the same as software engineers who don't know what SIMD is or think the CPU in their laptop or smartphone works like a MIPS they studied in college. When something like this is only one click away: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/microarchitectures/sunny_...
https://old.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/jwgdld/what_is_...
https://old.reddit.com/r/ECE/comments/jxb806/how_big_are_tra...
>sigh I'm really annoyed that I didn't know this.
No wonder why I am upset at the quality of hardware discussions on HN. And if you want to start a spin against TSMC, which I am already observing this trend on both twitter and Reddit. ( Not yet on HN ). Dont. TSMC didn't started it. Blame ingredient marketing, blame the (cough GPU cough ) customer, market analysts, Marketing or Apple. ( Not really Apple, but media that follows and publish news about Apple ).