‘Columbo’ shows the benefits of asking just one more thing
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That's where you discover that:
- he takes NOTHING as assumed
- he works A LOT (usually not shown on screen, but sometimes mentionned by him, and you can infer that a given piece of information took a lot of time to discover)
- he always starts from the ground up, asks (what seem to be) stupid questions
- All of his actions are here to close the options. Conversations are done with no malice, but with that clear objective in mind.
I do a lot of the Columbo way at work, and it works surprisingly well.
I want to expand on it because it's really unique and amazing.
For those who don't know, each episode opens with us seeing the crime being committed and covered up. We always know who it is, immediately.
Then in the 2nd act we're introduced to Columbo, and we observe him trying to figure out what we already know.
For all of the reasons stated in the parent article, Columbo is one of the most perfect representations of a "real smart person" in media. Another favourite of mine is Jonathan Creek
Also, I watch with headphones on, and it's amazing to me how much food people eat, and how loud they are, in many TV shows. Just went through Blue Murder (also with Caroline Quentin in it) and every episode there's one or two roundtable shots of the group eating... loudly.
But yeah, JC is good, and I'll be watching another one tonight :)
The tech in those is a bit more modern (I think the most recent is in something like 2015)
I agree with you about the picture quality. Black Canary from the DVD is really very noisy and grainy - to the point where I actually made my own "remastered" version by doing some basic color correction and digital noise reduction. It looks a lot better.
Some modern televisions have pretty good built-in modes for doing noise reduction and improving the color, try experimenting with those. (Just don't leave it on all the time.)
Read the closing credits at the end of each show and you may find a foley artist was part of the production (and therefore the likely person who created recordings of simulated eating sound effects, to sync with the filmed visuals of the actors eating)
Except that that's not really what happens. Somehow, Columbo seems to know immediately who the perpetrator is, and spends the rest of the episode just trying to figure out how to prove it.
Good show though!
For added thoughts on Columbo, here's a short breakdown if the tactics used to find the guilty party was legal in court.
https://columbophile.com/2017/05/17/what-happens-when-columb...
It's funny how much more character development shows had back then. For example Columbo talking to a parking attendant about something random that has absolutely nothing to do with the case. Or scenes of people walking down hallways, not saying anything, just strolling. I like the slow pace so much more than today's TV.
Real police work is not like this. I feel like the shows of the 70s were a lot more realistic. Columbo, Hill Street blues etc.
Even though Columbo was not really a realistic depiction of detective work, it did make it feel like work and not just competence porn.
Then in the 80s the whizzbang started with Miami Vice and its blue night skies, cops driving Ferraris etc.
The good shows these days take a step back from this. Like The Wire. But must of them are just fluff IMO.
One episode where they actually showed some of that is the one where the murderer was the architect of a high-rise building. He needed the plans or some time with the building authority to have something explained to him, and he was shown waiting in line for a whole day with all the people applying for building permits, getting pushed from office to office, etc.
https://columbophile.com/2016/08/14/episode-review-columbo-b...
Why in disguise? It’s just simply a masterpiece, not just as a detective show but also as a vehicle for the actors to enjoy themselves. It made it so much better watching the stars of the time do something they clearly liked. Everyone is in on the gag, the writers, the star, the guests, and the audience. It was more of the next verse in a familiar song than it was a show every episode.
> Conversations are done with no malice, but with that clear objective in mind.
At first, but by the middle of most episodes, he knows all he needs to already and is just playing cat and mouse with the villain, and the audience.
It is a learned skill that is enormously effective. The great thing is you can practice a little at a time.
the character is not in representationObviously Shatner and Nimoy, but also the lovable John Fiedler (of 12 Angry Men fame, as the possessed Mr. Hengist in TOS's "Wolf in the Fold" and a cardiologist in Columbo) and the fantastic Theodore Bikel (as the murderer in Columbo's "Bye-Bye Sky High I.Q. Murder Case", and as Worf's adoptive dad in TNG's "Family"). Ed Begley Jr, whose father was in 12 Angry Men, is in ST:VOY as Henry Starling, and in Columbo's "How to Dial a Murder" as Officer Stein. Laurence Luckinbill is Sybok (STrek V) and the victim in Columbo's "Make Me a Perfect Murder". Michael Strong: Columbo's "are you a witness to what he just did?" scene, and TOS's Dr Korby.
There are metric tons of links with minor characters, for example James Greene in the Columbo classic "Columbo Goes to the Guillotine" is also in TNG and DS9.
Dozens more are discussed here: http://pub10.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=8065...
There are other amusing non-Star Trek but sci-fi-related coincidences too, like Robert Culp (IMO the best Columbo villain, a first-rate actor) voicing Dr. Breen in Half-Life 2.
Obviously you could do this with absolutely any TV show, since there aren't that many actors in America, but this is a fun exercise and fans of both shows have a lot to be happy about. And if you're a fan of one, and start watching the other (I started with Columbo, possibly unlike most people here), try spotting common actors as a fun exercise.
For Columbo side-roles, Vito Scotti is a fun one to spot. I think he was in four or five episodes.
Edit: I remember it as being Dick van Dyck in all of them, but it was a long time ago and that seems unlikely!
My wife is a big fan of the British mystery shows like Midsomar Murders and has made comments about how the same actors keep showing up across the different shows.
And Leslie Nielsen was in 2 Columbo episodes
I watched Columbo only recently and it seems like every famous person in the 70s guest starred at one point or another.
"Space Seed", the TOS episode that introduces Khan is from 1967 while the Columbo episode with Montalban is from 1976.
The bad guy gets away because they don’t have enough evidence.
People confess when there is hardly any evidence (a lot).
The detectives realize they were wrong.
Lots of things happen.
Detectives being wrong isn’t a very dramatic like you might think. Many operate like scientist, gathering data, testing their theory along the way and adjusting.
One of the most interesting episodes was when they investigated a murder of a local girl in a park. Whole department assigned to work it because her ex and the main suspect was a guy who was a local criminal who had done time for murder before and was suspected in other cases.
Lots of misc evidence pointed at bad guy, but not enough to prosecute him, just lots of elements that pointed to him. Bad guy was smart enough not to talk to the police when they brought him in.
Near the end they got back some cell phone location info ... in the park that night wasn't the bad guy... but her current boyfriend (the local good college boy) phone was there. He claimed he was elsewhere / hadn't seen her that night...
Good boy confessed when they confronted him.
That episode was wild.
I would assume that "successes" here are people in prison who turned out were innocent.
Of course the show is not a broad coverage of the detectives process. The detectives featured almost always are the most senior detectives and of course they cover situations on camera where ... maybe somethings won't happen.
The cases featured in the show they almost never actually end up prosecuting anyone without quite a bit of evidence. They're not really the kind of cases you hear about where someone is just prosecuted on hearsay and one bit of evidence and so on, that i'm sure is by design (for the tv show). Detectives show a lot of skepticism about what people too, that was interesting. They follow those leads but those featured seem highly flexible.
I wonder how much of the bad prosecutions / situations are about the prosecutor rather than detectives.
The prime example is Sherlock Holmes who points at murder based on bit of dust caught of hat or some such. Any show where capture is based on subtle clues or manipulative trics would likely lead to a lot of false convictions. Or the ones where detectives mistreat suspects until they admit guilt - false guilt of admission from mistreated prisoner is actually a thing (especially when they are also sleep deprived or mentally challenged).
Plenty of cold case shows that start the episode 5 years after the original investigation, when new evidence comes in to clear the convict.
VERY surprising how many people talk to the cops and give them all sorts of information that the cops then disprove, stories that make no sense, or even hand them info / leads that leas right back to them so on.
I want to say maybe the folks in a Columbo episode wold be more likely to talk to a lawyer first / not talk but ... Martha Stewart talked herself into jail...
I had zero idea of the 911 call before this.
A lot of complexity in the legal system is so that at least most of the time even if someone is smart and can hire someone who has built their career on covering their ass, deflecting blame, understanding and using all the technicalities, obfuscating the facts as much as possible when not in their favor, calls to emotion when it helps them, calls to reason when it helps them, and all the other tricks (aka high end defense attorneys), we still end up with outcomes that aren’t clearly obviously wrong eventually.
And at least most of the time if someone is a real dumbass and can’t afford someone to at least help them pull their foot out of their mouth (aka low end defense attorneys), they don’t get railroaded and we end up with outcomes that are clearly obviously wrong either. Most of the time.
As the quote from Charles Babbage goes:
> On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
Yes, sometimes that's exactly what happens.
Stupid, I agree, but not nearly as politically incorrect as our "hero".
The humor is more of the cringe-variety (if you like that sort of thing) when our detective makes the big reveal only to walk right into it.
David Brent (The Office) is more like our detective.
Yours might be the starting point for the "case" for our bigoted detective, but these leads invariably run cold but inadvertently reveal a piece of information or suspect that had not yet come to light (solved — maybe even simply by the process of elimination for our sad detective).
The later episodes turn the show more into a parody.
I might be wrong and it is an exception that tests the rule.
The shows don't show everything, but what they do imply is that Columbo starts by pulling on all the strings and then doggedly chasing the inconsistencies and loose ends. Also, in a lot of cases there could only be a handful of suspects. The main thing they actually is the interplay between Colombo and the culprit, and the rest is (almost always) offscreen.
IMHO, the main weakness of the show are how over-eager the culprits sometimes are act like they're helping Columbo. Not just answer his questions, but play detective with him.
> Is there a single Columbo episode where he asks "just one more thing" of someone who isn't the murderer?
I haven't watched the whole series and don't recall a specific episode, but I'm pretty sure he's done that episodes where the murderer is trying to frame someone. There was also a not-great episode where the owner of a boat-builder was murdered and there were like 5 suspects (this one: https://columbophile.com/2019/08/11/trying-to-salvage-last-s...).
Okay, fine, Last Salute to the Commodore is an exceptional case; it's widely regarded, along with the two later Ed McBain ones, as way out-of-character for the show.
Usually when he confronts a character who has something to hide but isn't the murderer, he's over-the-top friendly and apologetic, like with the affair in Columbo Goes to College or the victim's bride in Double Shock. There are probably some better examples.
Yeah, the usual formula is that the culprit tries to demonstrate innocence by helping with the investigation until Columbo gets too close, and then abruptly shuts up. I think that mostly speaks to Columbo's style, though; it's realistic that a murderer would do one or the other given how they're being questioned.
I'd still maintain that the biggest weakness of the show is that Columbo almost never has the wrong suspect, and sometimes he has the correct suspect far too early (why does he read the palm in Death Lends A Hand?).
I've watched most Columbos multiple times and I think that's by design. Columbo plays dumb, and tries to make the suspect think that Columbo can easily be misdirected or manipulated; so suspects volunteer to "help" Columbo in order to protect themselves. This overconfidence on the part of suspects' is deliberately engineered by Columbo.
It also plays in the consistent "Columbo vs. the highly educated upper-class" motif, where the "dumb" cop who earns $11k a year asks for help from millionaires who are "much smarter and more worldly" than him.
Interesting quirk of English idioms here. Maybe regional?
* Pulling strings often means to control, as a marionette
* Pulling threads often means to inspect closely and follow a pattern> Interesting quirk of English idioms here. Maybe regional?
> * Pulling strings often means to control, as a marionette
> * Pulling threads often means to inspect closely and follow a pattern
That's way too clever for me to have done intentionally. I just had my idioms scrambled.
[0]: Though I'd use "pulling the strings" and "pulling at threads".
Edit: Another one I can think of is "Murder in Malibu", it is really hard to tell who is the murderer in this one. And even Columbo seems unsure for a while.
Yep, for example "Fade in to Murder," an episode with William Shatner. Also "Murder by the Book," "A Friend in Deed," etc. The writers played lots of little tricks on the audience with the show. But also sometimes the Lt. simply asked procedural questions to somebody who wasn't involved.
I guess in Murder By The Book he sits down and asks the victim's wife if she can come up with anything. Fade Into Murder had the whole blackmail thing going on in the background. Where did Columbo hound someone who wasn't Robert Culp in A Friend In Deed? He was a little squirrely getting the private-spy's info at the water fountain (and the whole ice-cream/swing encounter) but that's all I can think of.
Ticket update: He uses "just one more thing" on Mrs. Halperin, but she was not the murderer.
in real life, we know that crimes are often “solved” not by evidence at hand but by confession of accomplices. i mean that’s why “snitches get stitches” is a thing. columbo takes that to the next level, extracting the suspects own admission through his apparent bumbling. in every single episode, if the perp had only just kept their mouth shut …
The question is, can you, an ordinary human, in ordinary circumstances where almost everything is beyond your control, gain benefit from this technique?
There's a similar problem with "$N business lessons of ${HISTORICAL_FIGURE}" - you're not going to invade Russia, or lay siege to Vienna, or conquer the Gauls. Your situation is entirely different. What Napoleon or Saladin or Boudicca are reputed to have done is almost certainly beyond you, and instead is being used to puff up an article containing entirely mundane and well-worn advice.
Also:
> This article appeared in the Culture section of the print edition under the headline "Avenger in a raincoat"
The online article headline is just clickbait.
The very real benefit that you, the ordinary human, can gain from these techniques is an awareness of many of the assumptions you have been making, and how little there actually is to justify them. It's been said that a fish will be the last to discover water. This will show you the proverbial ocean you've been oblivious to swimming in all your life.
It may not be for everyone, but few authors have changed the way I think quite as drastically as reading Plato has.
on edit: so what I'm saying, is like, word of mouth?
"Well, when I saw the crime scene, there was a match in the ashtray, and a lighter on the table. The lighter worked. So I knew..."
"You knew a pipe smoker had been in the room. You weren't looking for a killer; you were looking for a pipe smoker. And there I was."
"And there you were."
1. Magnum P.I. (Original)
Private investigator on Oahu
https://www.imdb.com/video/vi2937961753?ref_=vp_rv_1
2. It's about a monk solving crimes in medieval Europe.Mystery!: Cadfael https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108717/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Wolfe_(2001_TV_series)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/ANeroWolfeMyst...
One of the best ones is "The Doorbell Rang":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doorbell_Rang
>An hour later we were having a pleasant evening. The three guests and I were in the front room, in a tight game of pinochle, and Wolfe was in his one and only chair in the office, reading a book. The book was The FBI Nobody Knows. He was either gloating or doing research, I didn't know which. — Archie Goodwin writing in The Doorbell Rang, chapter 12
>Nero Wolfe is hired to force the FBI to stop wiretapping, tailing and otherwise harassing a woman who gave away 10,000 copies of a book that is critical of the Bureau and its director, J. Edgar Hoover.
>The Doorbell Rang generated controversy when it was published, due largely to its unflattering portrayal of the FBI, its director and agents. It was published at a time when the public's attitude toward the FBI was turning critical, not long after Robert F. Kennedy and J. Edgar Hoover clashed and the Bureau was coming under fire for its investigations of Martin Luther King Jr. Some dismissed the book: National Observer described it as "little more than an anti-FBI diatribe," and Nero Wolfe fan John Wayne wrote Rex Stout a terse note of goodbye after reading the condensed magazine version.: 461 But Clifton Fadiman, quoted in a Viking Press advertisement for The Doorbell Rang, thought it was "… the best of all Nero Wolfe stories."
[...]
>The FBI and The Doorbell Rang
>Researching his book Dangerous Dossiers: Exposing the Secret War Against America's Greatest Authors (1988), journalist Herbert Mitgang discovered that Stout had been under FBI surveillance since the beginning of his writing career. Most of the heavily censored pages he was allowed to obtain from Stout's FBI dossier concerned The Doorbell Rang:
>About one hundred pages in Stout's file are devoted to the novel, the FBI's panicky response to it and the attempt to retaliate against the author for writing it. The FBI's internal memorandum for its special agents told them that "the bureau desires to contribute in no manner to the sales of this book by helping to make it the topic of publicity." Orders came from headquarters in Washington that any questions concerning the book should be forwarded to the Crime Records Division, thereby putting book and author in a criminal category.
>An internal memorandum by Special Agent M.A. Jones (name surprisingly not censored) summarized the novel and went on to write a critique for the FBI's top command — a rare "literary" honor accorded to few books in its files ... Following the review came a series of recommendations — first, Stout was designated as a person "not to be contacted" without prior approval by FBI headquarters in Washington ...
>In April 1976, the Church Committee found that The Doorbell Rang is a reason Rex Stout's name was placed on the FBI's "not to contact list", which it cited as evidence of the FBI's political abuse of intelligence information.
Examples: Magnum P.I. (Hawaii); Miami Vice (Miami); The Equalizer (NYC). Where re(make)(boot)s exist, I'm talking about the originals.
On the other hand, it can be a little annoying when, e.g. in The Good Wife, NYC is standing in for Chicago.
On a third hand, I love how Murder, She Wrote represents many different places with the same backlot sets, throwing in bits of stock or second unit establishing shots.
The Inspector Morse series[0] based on Colin Dexter's[1] novels is shot in and around Oxford, UK and is pretty darn good.
The follow-ons (Lewis[2] and Endeavour[3]) are also pretty good too.
The Inspector Lynley Mysteries[4] is also pretty good and is shot mostly on location, although the protagonist is something of a whiny little bitch. The same can be said for DCI Banks[5].
That said, Vera[6] and Y Gwyll[7] (Hinterland) are both good too, although the police force in Vera is a fictional fictional organization and is shot in various places in the north of England.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Morse_(TV_series)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Dexter
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_(TV_series)
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavour_(TV_series)
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inspector_Lynley_Mysteries
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCI_Banks
Especially if they are the type of enthusiastic, semi-sophisticated users, who try to second-guess how the application is written or why it crashed, without actually knowing anything about the code, and often make silly guesses and make suggestions which have little to do with reality.
Before I started doing that, I would often be quite rude to people and cut them off, saying things like "no, that's not how the code works, I know that for a fact because I wrote it, the bug is somewhere else entirely".
Then when I started using it instead, I would stare at them and say something like "oh, well, that's a very interesting option! Why didn't I think of that!" Then shut up for a few seconds like I'm deep in thought, then say "Oh, wait, I just thought of something. Do you mind showing me what you did on that screen again? I apologize but I have just this awful short term memory, can't remember what you wrote on that bug ticket ". Then they would indulge me, and I would say "Oh, wait, stop right there, that gave me a great idea what could have gone wrong, thank you".
And then explain them in some details what caused the bug and how to work around it.
Or I would say "thank you", get up and go after they showed me, and then pause at the door and say "oh, wait, there's this one thing I just thought about, do you mind if we try just one more thing? Sorry for taking your time" and then try the workaround, show them that it works, and explain it.
All this when I actually understood what was the problem a few seconds after they showed me the problem.
So I wasted a few more minutes being nice to this person and pretending I'm kind of dumb, but I know now they will won't be afraid to report future bugs to me or to suggest features, without fearing they will look dumb themselves.
Unfortunately I have to be in the right frame of mind to do this, and lately I've found myself slipping more and more often back to the "that's not how the code works" retorts.
It's good that this came up on NH today, it's a good reminder to try and go back to being a little more Columbo and a little less rude to people who try to be useful to me.
But I have no idea how else to deal with those people who genuinely want to help me help them, but keep making suggestions and developing weird theories that aren't connected to reality and which aren't helpful. Everything else I tried just seems to insult them more.
In normal day-to-day conversations with most other people (including the same people when we're not in a professional setting) I'm not like that. At least I hope not.
In other words - if it ain't broke don't fix it.
and this thread is a great follow-on: https://twitter.com/garius/status/1325743272493510656b
One striking thing is that technology often plays a part - technology that would have been 'clever' at the time. e.g. "The Most Crucial Game" the bad guy uses a radio to pretend he's still in a private box at a football statium. In "Fade in to Murder" the bad guy provides an alibi for himself by drugging a friend, changing the time on his watch and then watching a VCR recorded football match with him, pretending that its live. There are lots of things like that, I suppose the never ending quest for clever twists led the writers to lots of gizmos and gadgets of the time.
"I like to get that background information very precise if I can."
"You know what it's like; you get hold of half of something, and you can't get a hold of the other half."
"Tell me about these movie stars. What do they do? They drink a lot?" (great open-ended question)
"Do you think you could just talk about the suture, sort of describe it in so many words?"
"It's just one of those things that gets into my head and keeps rolling around in there like a marble."
"There is something else sir, but I don't know where all that leads to just yet...I'll just wander around sir. Thank you very much."
"When people do something for the first time, detectives always want to know why."
You cannot reasonably pull life lessons from a scripted work of fiction.
I think I know what you are aiming at here, but this statement is way, way too strong. It flies in the face of, well, being human.
Most of we actually learn, for good or for ill, is from stories. Even most of the stuff we don't think of that way.
Columbo's acuity lies in his perception and his mind much more so than in the often mundane things he looks at. It's his lack of prejudice and child like curiosity that stands out and that is as true in the world of Columbo as it is in the real one.
And also maybe as a side note, most foundational texts concerning the big questions of life and underpinning most of human civilization are to large extent scripted and deliberately composed works of fiction, from the Vedas and Talmud to Shakespeare.
At first I thought they might be tying this in to "And what else?" of The Coaching Habit.