Could it have happened, sure. Do I think that it was an inside job? No, not at all. 99% of the people there at that time thought Bitcoin was insanely dumb, and I suspect most of us still do.
Could it have happened, sure. Do I think that it was an inside job? No, not at all. 99% of the people there at that time thought Bitcoin was insanely dumb, and I suspect most of us still do.
As I noted elsewhere, there's an opportunity to do the right thing when someone comes to you and says look, someone is coming in on the control plane and resetting my server passwords.
And yes, that includes looking at your staff especially when bitcoin is in the mix as its less traceable to a person.
For some reason, for year after year, there was this pattern. No problem, we have good security, oh wait, we've been rooted for months. Or someone is coming in on the staff admin plane and taking all sorts of action.
It could be outside hackers sure. But linode never seemed that interested in sorting things out.
The takeaway I had was that you might not notice if a staff person OR hacker was messing around.
It’s a baseless and unfair attack and I think you should consider deleting your original comment.
https://wptavern.com/wp-engine-identifies-cloud-infrastructu...
This followed the pagerduty hack. We don't know who else was getting hacked either - these were to high profile ones.
So this just raised the question - what's up that they don't take serious issues seriously? With bitcoin there have been a ton of insider issues with how "trusted" infrastructure providers and exchanges handling bitcoin so that was the question.
Even if external hackers, they just got hacked over and over.
Also hey lbotos, hope you're doing well!
I remember that rash of Bitcoin thefts and it was all careless behavior by the Linode owner becoming a secondary consequence of a primary employee compromise, I think. As in what happened to Twitter. Think “admin panel compromised, external actor searches for Linodes known to participate in Bitcoin, methodically compromises them one by one, finds poorly stored wallets and drains them”. That intruder very obviously knew what they were after, if memory serves, but this was almost ten years ago.
Seriously. Linode did one thing well and it was hire (mostly) good people. The comms around security incidents could always use improvement, and I think that led to the loss of trust you’re seeing here. I don’t think it’s just Linode, either, I think a lot of the industry is overly discreet when it comes to what to say publicly about events like this. We see the same with journalism: a lot of methods in reporting are trade skills and most people don’t understand the news gathering process, which leaves room to fill in the gaps with conspiracy. So it is with security, too.
I’d back your speculation, Tim: there were maybe two people, definitely one, maybe two, who could both perform the crime and hide it. One’s an unsavory person to interact with if he doesn’t like you but ultimately ethical and a force for good at his core. The other runs the company. Convince me that either of them did that and you may as well convince me the Earth is flat.
I don't think there was ever really a consensus on this. Lots of people (myself included, but also quite a few friends) always thought Bitcoin was just kinda useless. It's just that in 2012 there were comparatively low stakes (i.e. no massive energy use, not yet massive amounts of people pouring money in it, no massive amounts of "crypto snakeoil") that it just wasn't worth commenting on.
Many still believe in the idea that (certain, less well know) crypto can be used as a real currency, but unfortunately the public severely tainted it with ideas of 'being an asset'.
This comment reads as someone who is more aligned with the public's (HN) perception of modern crypto, rather than the use of it pre-2010.
Everyone thinks of bitcoin in terms of “how many USD is it?” I don’t know what the solution is but as long as we think of bitcoin as a perverted asset like housing - apparently people once again believe we will not allow housing prices to fall to any significant degree - there is no reason to use bitcoin as a currency. With so much speculation, the price is too volatile.
I don’t know what the solution is but I believe transaction costs should be minimal if not zero. I don’t know how we will achieve this but apparently there are other projects that try to get much closer to zero transaction fees. I think that is the future
Lots of us thought bitcoin was dumb back then. Lots of us still do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash
https://scottpeterjohnson.github.io/hashwall/dist/index.html
I think I get your sentiment(?), but I'm uncertain of whether or not it matters how individuals value 'success' or 'currency' when it comes to personal property. To extend to the logical consequences, I am not sure if people on HN would agree that personal property should be non-existent.
Now if $some_duder_was_really_into_bitcoin was also on the staff at the time, then sure, maybe they would risk their job to steal some bitcoin because they thought it was cool to do hax0r things with cyberpunk money. I'm not aware of that person existing.