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I've signed up for the beta, but it's hard to shake the feeling that signing in to a search engine is a mistake. "We respect your privacy", "we'll never sell your data", I've heard these claims before and they've almost always been lies. They can tell me that they don't maintain an eternal history of all my queries, but how can I ever verify that?

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Kagi ultimately will be a paid service. As I've noted in the context of other services (email), by providing revenue in the form of paid services (and only paid, no freemium tier) the service doesn't have to implement ads at all, and thus can skip the pressure to deliver more and more data in exhange for better rates.

I guess it comes down to trusting that they'll sit on that big stack of user data, exactly the same stuff Google used to build a trillion-dollar company, and continue to decide day after day not to sell it. Will they continue to hold out if VCs get involved?

Yes, I'm aware that all the same arguments apply to DuckDuckGo, and that Google & Bing already explicitly do sell this stuff, but the stronger the promises, the more I demand to see proof.

I think part of it is also an implementation pressure. If you put your dev work into building a system around managing subscriptions and processing user payments, its less easy to flip a switch and start siphoning data to 3rd-parties when they come calling.

In theory, this would be visible to end-users as a halt in feature roll-outs, because the dev team has to pivot to building ad-tech.

I hope to god VCs don't get involved; if they do I'd be the first to bail. I'm hoping that the revenue model makes VC money allergic to them in general. Bootstrapping is preferred for this type of service (see also: Pinboard, sr.ht)

Neeva has a similar ad-free model. The experience is getting better all the time.

Umm... Google and Bing track the hell out of you whether you sign in or not. DuckDuckGo claims not to but the sites you hit through it certainly employ tons of fingerprinting.

Unfortunately with the advanced state of browser fingerprinting you are always "signed in" when you search on any search engine.

> how can I verify that?

Write and ask them. GDPR requires that users can retrieve all stored information associated to their profile/person. Most large internet companies have this functionality.

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