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Vladimir Putin -- ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“, 2021

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If Russia wants to reunite with Ukraine why not move the capital to Kiev and merge the Russian government in subserviently with the Ukrainian government? Putain can step down and the current government of Ukraine can take over both countries. After all, Ukraine is the birthplace of the Russian people. If they're one people and should be reunited, they should be reunited under the banner of their original homeland, Ukraine.

Anything short of that is a non-starter and demonstrates an aggressive Russian agenda. There are no exceptions to this.

> Putain

Merde !

The fundamental pitch here is that Ukraine is Russian because the languages are similar and the countries shared some history (voluntarily or involuntarily). But that’s no more an argument than it is for Ireland to be part of the UK.

Ukrainians wanted out of that arrangement because Russia used the country as a colony for exploitation, not any kind of cultural equal

Well originally Moscow was a ‘colony’ of Kievan Rus. Of course much has happened in the subsequent 800 years but historically there was no clear line between being an Ukrainian and a Russian. I’m not trying to imply that Ukrainians are Russians and their desire to stay independent is perfectly legitimate but the relationship between Russia and Ukraine is much more analogous to Germany and Austria than the one between Ireland and Britain (which didn’t share the same language, culture and origin).

The funny thing about the point about similarity between Russian and Ukrainian languages is that linguists will tell you that Ukrainian has more similarities (shared words, and syntactic constructs) with Polish and Belarussian than with Russian.

If we're bringing up history, does "never again" apply to Ukraine and the Holodomor too?

I would hope so. Always shocking to see the lack of recognition for disasters caused by the USSR regime, such as the Holodomor. The details of the event are just pure horror.

Don't forget that Ukraine was one of the main supporters of that "regime" till the end. They weren't even the first state to secede from the USSR. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio...

How is that relevant?

In the same way how Texas is a victim of USA "regime". Ukraine's claim to be victim of USSR is just a modern myth their nationalists trying to force last ten years. But it's even not widely supported there, many Ukraine people connect themselves with Russia rather than with Europe, USA or whatever. Many people there prefer speak russian despite the government trying to forbid it. This is how they lost Crimea without a fight, it just has gone and doesn't want to return back. Ever saw crimean people to protest? The same way other territories may go away to Russia.

Quit your propaganda bullshit.

- Ukraine does not try to forbid Russian language, that's complete disinformation.

- Crimea has been invaded by Russian special forces and annexed by Russia, there is no ambiguity here.

- The fact that Ukraine has a part of its population related to the Russian culture, language, traditions does not justify Russian invading the country.

- Your comparison with Texas is non-sensical. Ukraine has been invaded by the USSR. The Soviet-Ukrainian war happened almost 100 years ago and resulted in a military invasion of the country. Under USSR the Ukrainian movements for independence have been crushed violently and the Ukrainian national identity and cultural identity has been systematically destroyed under Stalin.

> Ukraine does not try to forbid Russian language, that's complete disinformation.

https://www.france24.com/en/20180920-ukraine-region-ban-russ... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/25/ukraine-passes-l...

Basically this is why Crimea doesn't want to be part of Ukraine anymore. And other regions may follow this way.

> Crimea has been invaded by Russian special forces and annexed by Russia, there is no ambiguity here.

You forgot to ask crimeans whether they were invaded.

Even chechens don't claim that they are invaded, despite there was real war there, unlike in Crimea.

> Your comparison with Texas is non-sensical.

You forgot to ask Chuck Norris. https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/83ln5/chuck_norri...

Your claim Ukraine been invaded by USSR is too. Ukraine have signed official agreement to be part of USSR.

> does not justify Russian invading the country.

It's better if such unstable "countries" like Ukraine, Chechnya, e.t.c. to be controlled by a strong country like Russia, USA, China, e.t.c. Letting them do whatever they want threatens the security of Europe. And it's better if Russia invades Ukraine than if somebody like ISIS takes control over them.

I see, it didn't take that much for the mask to slip. No need arguing with a propagandist.

> propagandist

No, it's you.

>Always shocking to see the lack of recognition for disasters caused by the USSR regime, such as the Holodomor

This is the case with all socialist-led events like this, they tend to get downplayed in the mainstream for some reason..

That doesn't make it okay to invade a country and kill 50 k. people.

Above is the reason why they want to get away tbh, Russia can blame it on external factors all they want. But they lost a tremendous amount of support since 2014 (= invading Ukraine)

For anyone wanting a different opinion of this unity, read Timothy Snyder's _Bloodlands_. It was terrible what the Russians did to the Ukrainians and I don't blame the Ukranians one bit for wanting some independence.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/disarming...

So many words to say "mine now!". Imperialism has never been so verbose/tedious

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