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> When you deploy a site using Cloudflare Workers Sites, the entire Cloudflare network, with over 150 data centers around the world, effectively becomes your origin server. In comparison, Netlify’s global CDN only conists of 6 locations for free users and 12 locations for enterprise plans.

I don't understand the value (or hype) of Netlify if Cloudflare has many PoP (Points of Presences) and is effectively way faster.

Netlify looking similarly like an expensive Heroku (more PoP only on enterprise plans) which doesn't seem like a global network to me.

Curious to know is anyone on Netlify considering moving or staying?

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I've done some migrations and there's no perfect solution. Currently I'm split between netlify and vercel. The downsides I know for each:

- Netlify doesn't support Range headers which means you can't host clickonce installers for windows apps there

- Vercel doesn't support IPv6 which really is table stakes these days

- S3 + CloudFront are very low-level and the bandwidth is expensive

- CloudFlare supports targeted harassment so dropped for moral reasons

can anyone explain "CloudFlare supports targeted harassment"?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30308251

Can you please explicate your last point?

I don't know about first two but S3 or CloudFront is from Amazon which certainly have too many blemishes. Also, AFAIK Cloudflare is an infrastructure provider so, I wonder why would ethics come here.

Are we going to blame Google for making a browser that is used for hundreds of immoral things?

The only reason I think one will disdain over Cloudflare is due to monopoly. And, many argue they do some DDOS attack, but I have never seen any modicum of evidence.

They will go to the court to prevent revealing the identity and suing people who run websites organising persistent harassment, then keep hosting the website with that knowledge, like here: https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1485731083534667779 (CW and all that)

Google browser is not in the same situation because the abusers are not direct, paying customers of Google and Google is not fighting to both keep them and hide their identity.

I understand why CF would want to keep their privacy position. But once they know about the abuse and don't drop those customers - they support the abuse.

Hey do you have any more information on cloudflare supporting targeted harassment? I had t heard of it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30308251

What are the practical implications of not supporting IPv6? Does it make for longer loading times on devices that only natively have IPv6 which I believe includes most cellular devices?

Honestly not that many practical ones. It does improve the behaviour on ipv6 devices, but not significantly. I admit that for me it's more of a "we know it's happening, so I'd like to support companies not dragging their feet" position. It will hopefully come at some point: https://github.com/vercel/community/discussions/47

CloudFront is only more expensive for the first 400GB. Netlify's bandwidth is $0.20/GB after the 400GB mark compared to CloudFront's $0.085/GB.

Netlify is the best for static site hosting you can buy, cloudlflare page have unlimited data and free analytics but for in general, netlify have you cover whit more complete and mature implementations like cms

Netlify has way more deployment knobs and integrations, but Cloudflare Pages (and not Workers Sites) is quickly catching up in that regard.

One of the few grips I have with the more recent Cloudflare Pages is that the build times sometimes are 10x slower than Netlify.

If you need to perform a fast update or rollback, it does take its time.

The Pages team said on Twitter yesterday they're working on supporting pre built deploy. Not sure if it will be via drag and drop or CLI though.

Edit:

See this thread where I lamented on being forced to deploy from Github:

https://twitter.com/PierB/status/1491812373233119244

Using Github Actions, Worker Sites and the CF worker, I think the level of customization is quite high without too much work.

For example, our hobby React SPA deploys on merge using Actions. It also has dynamic opengraph tags for pretty Discord embeds using CF worker.

Especially, getting their support service is quite expensive. For a side-project or personal blog we can get away without support, but a commercial application wouldn't be advisable.

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