As someone with IBS - right now I feel like there is no clear 'problem' defined for it. You are just categorized by the doctor (Rome 3 or whatever) and people go through various tests, medications, non-fda approved stuff to see what works.
I am eagerly looking forward to some progress in this area to hopefully fully understand whats going on and get a proper diagnosis
At a broad scale, I would say it will be 1-2 years before fecal transplants receive approval as a therapy for recurrent C. diff infection, at least 5 years before a bug-as-drug will be available, and at least 7 years before a microbe-derived natural product is on the market as a pharmaceutical. It takes an incredible amount of work to get from these associational studies to a pharma-grade product.
In the interim, I think there will continue to be a bunch of diagnostics and probiotics companies that (IMO) are bordering on absolute nonsense. There is very little predictive value to the tests supplied by most of these companies, and the data on probiotic efficacy is bad in humans. There is good evidence of probiotic and prebiotic effectiveness in animal husbandry (e.g. fish and livestock) but the data just aren't there in humans.
Had a great doctor that helped me get started, after many that did a shoddy job, and this has been my experience as well.
Very much a 'seems like IBS, try low FODMAP, see what works and doesn't via experience,' which was pretty amazing/alarming how little is understood about our guts.
I'd love to know when the science is going to start catching up. Especially since I think it'll be interesting to find out if something has been added to our diets that's causing an increase in intolerance over the last decade+.
Yes exactly this.
> Especially since I think it'll be interesting to find out if something has been added to our diets that's causing an increase in intolerance over the last decade+.
One thing I read is that western diets severely lack in fiber which usually leads to loss of microbiome diversity [1]. But studies like this are still early stages, we need targeted results based on all this to really have any effect.
[1] https://nautil.us/how-the-western-diet-has-derailed-our-evol...
I mean, we know there isn't a cure for now but it's good to have something similar to a 'normal life' again.
I also have my fingers crossed waiting for science to do its job.
I share your suspicion about current Western diets.
For example, at [1], Chickpeas are listed as low FODMAP, but at [2] they're listed as "high". Similarly for Green bell peppers.
Thanks for any help.
[1] https://www.ibsdiets.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IBSDiets... [2] https://med.virginia.edu/ginutrition/wp-content/uploads/site...
ICYDK (From the studies I have read online) Researchers from Monash were the first ones to identify low fodmaps and they continually release research studies in this area.
To answer your question about chickpeas - right now I see 2 different tested versions in the app - one is Canned chickpeas - this says quarter cup (42g) should mostly be fine but half cup (84g) contains moderate amounts of Oligos-GOS (one of the fodmpas).
Green bell peppers - 52g should be ok but 75 to 80g contains high amount of sorbitol.
The app uses a traffic system (red, blue, green lights) to indicate the quantities
[1] https://www.monashfodmap.com/ibs-central/i-have-ibs/get-the-...
What eventually got me is that certain foods which were listed as low FODMAP were also trigger foods for my symptoms.
So if it doesn't seem to be working, there may have a similar issue.
In general we only have mouse or other animal data for other indications.
There are retrospective analyses of patient cohorts receiving anti-PD1 or anti-CTLA4 therapies which have identified certain microbiome states as supportive of those therapies. I believe that these are probably real effects, though I don't think the particular microbes matter - instead I think it's the metabolites they produce and how those influence resting immune state (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf3363 - but you can find many more).
A paper I really like shows that a specific protein from a common gut microbe (Akkermansia muciniphila) confers resistance to diet induced weight gain, insulin insensitivity, etc. (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.4236).
In general, I think the majority of microbiome work has been associational and demonstrative of the kind of hypothesis-free science that is prone to all sorts of statistical artifacts and misaligend incentives between truth-finding and paper publishing (garden of forking paths, file-drawer effect, etc. etc.)
That made me wonder what the triggers might be, since the studies see the corroding effect appear in diets deficient in polyphenols/insoluble fibres. At what interval do microbes need nutrients and is simply eating a highly-processed snack that has nothing much to offer bacteria in the gut a possible trigger in itself?
Fiber is good for microbes merely by the virtue that humans lack the glycan-degrading enzymes that are necessary to break it down, so it reaches the colon intact where the microbes can eat it. Humans can digest starch (though it can be physically and chemically modified to be harder to digest) but not the hundreds of other types of fibers that are found in a traditional diet.
I think there is good research that shows that higher fiber diets are associated with lower risk of developing a range of metabolic and immune pathologies, but the particular mechanistic linkages are so subtle that it will require absolutely massive studies to identify them. In general, we know that humans used to eat a much higher fiber diet (e.g. the Hadza people eat 70-150 grams of fiber a day), and we believe that produces a much healthier microbial composition.
The paper you cited is really interesting! I haven't read it - but the overall idea that the mucus lining of the gut can be degraded by microbes who are sourcing carbon, energy, and nitrogen from it is well established.
I think there is consensus that some amount of gut barrier integrity is due to microbial signals. This occurs in two ways - 1) our epithelial cells sense microbial products (proteins, carbohydrates, etc.) and respond by tightening the junctions between them. The overall idea being that you want to keep the bacteria in the colon, but you must balance some level of nutrient flow. 2) The goblet cells which produce mucus in the gut, respond to microbial signals to increase or decrease their mucus production.
There is a lot of research going on trying to understand how certain diets cause defective mucus production and in turn how that can allow microbes to get to close to the epithelial lining (usually the mucus is ~100 microns thick) which results in inflammation.
Recent evidence of another function of microbial activity in the gut of hibernating animals. In short, it appears that they help the host supply enough nitrogen for maintaining muscle mass during hibernation: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abh2950
At a high level we know that diversity of microbial species in the gut (but for instance, not in the vagina) is linked to better overall health state. Is this because of the microbes? Probably not, it's probably that the microbes are a sensor/responding to an overall healthy diet/ecosystem.
In general, there are commercial services to track your microbiome and they are interesting from a data perspective, but I am not sure you will get much health information out of them.
We know the answer to a healthy diet - there are no microbial talismans - but it's just not sexy. Eat lots of plants, less sugar, and exercise. I wish it was as easy to follow this advice as it is to write haha.
Thanks a ton - super curious research. What determines if individuals get Morganella and Kiebdiella bacteria? Is it genetic or can it be impacted by the food we eat?
What is the mechanism of how these bacterias interact with the brain through the enteric system?
Thank you!
We know that microbes colonize the gut in a somewhat predictable way as a function of age. As a newborn your gut is largely dominated by Bifidobacteria, and this slowly transitions to a more complex community over the next several years of life. Events like early childhood antibiotics, malnutrition, other disease, etc. can alter this trajectory. Interestingly this kind of ecological succession seems to be driven by an interplay of both immune maturation (as your immune system matures it starts being more selective about who it tries to let in) and by chemical processes. The gut becomes more anaerobic as the number of bacteria increase (and transition away from the Bifido dominated state) and that has a strong selective effect on the microbes that will grow well.
For specific commensal bacteria we know some of the mechanisms of colonization - there are particular genetic programs that bacteria turn on when they sense they are in the gut to enhance their ability to be retained and not washed out. These programs include physical attachment, motility, and chemical signalling to try to dampen the local immune response.
Pathogens are extremely good at getting in to the gut despite our best attempts at keeping them out. Salmonella typhimurium is notoriously adept at colonizing the host - the infectious dose you need is maybe 10 microbes taken orally in a susceptible host (compare that to 10 billion microbes/capsule in a probiotic).
For these specific bugs I don't know that much. I am excited to read more.
More locally, the enteroendocrine cells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteroendocrine_cell) that line the gut translate much of the internal nutrient state of the gut up to the brain to tell you things about if you should eat, etc.
There is a lot of research on how we could alter satiety by finding the right language that these cells use. There are approved drugs on the market that mimic the activity of these cells (incretin mimetics) to reduce appetite/weight control.
I don’t eat any fibers.