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one other problem is that the classes are not separated as to ability anymore...now in each classroom you are going to have one or more kids who have mental issues and who will wind up in prison, maybe for most of their adult lives...think about that--you have to ride herd on kids who are future lifer convicts...you can tell that these people will be in prison from an early age...they are really messed up...from birth, most likely...these kids are angry at the world because they do not fit in...and they take it out on the teacher...a lovely situation...the teachers warn each other about these kids...you can spot them fairly easily...naively, society believes you can get them on your side...you think we don't try? It does not work, long term...these kids fail at everything and cannot succeed at anything...

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Going to public schools in KY, I look back at how we were grouped by horse families (e.g. thoroughbreds were gifted, clydesdales the laborers) based on academic achievement. Teachers could easily and openly identify which type of student by asking which family they belonged to, and students being entirely unaware of the joke unless they were aware of different types of horses and their applications.

I can't tell if your teachers were reading their Huxley or not. I guess it's slightly more obscure than just labeling kids Alpha to Epsilon.

That's very disappointing to read.

Imagine you are the kid which will end in prison. Wouldn't you feel betrayed from society if society can already see that you will end in prison and is doing nothing against it?

You can we haven't accepted the right answer though: more money for education.

Smaller classes, more support, proper trained psychologist

most teachers will tell you the truth--it's there from birth, and basically incurable

I mean...I'm kinda glad you got out of the profession...

I think it’s become tragically obvious that a whole lot of children are born to parents who should’ve never had children and have no business being parents. These children end up dumped on educators with zero support at home, and so little social system support we could also say it’s zero.

This isn’t nature versus nurture per se (although I believe the data does show some ability and intelligence is genetic/inherent), but that it takes a lot for a human child to succeed unless they’re at the higher end of the bell curve (and even then it’s no guarantee).

yeah, I understand your meaning, but you fail to understand the situation...did you read the article? NO ONE can do the job...

The United States already has below average class sizes, and spends 37% more per student than the average.

There is some evidence that large class sizes produce better results, and it would seem that whatever the US spends its education money on isn't working, because our students test much lower than our investment would predict.

[0] https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd

The schools with the most future prisoners are already highly funded. Psychologists cant do anything for people stupid enough to end up in prison.

I was a bad kid growing up. I ended up at a pilot program consisting of about 14 kids, mostly more screwed up than me, and about 3 psychiatrists and 5 support counselors. It did basically nothing for the kids. The thing that helped me the most was my parents moving away and putting me in normal school in a different state and peer pressure helping me be normal.

> more support

Mostly outside of education. The US spends a lot on education and gets poor results for the investment because it also spends on lot on institutionalizing racism and reinforcing socioeconomic insecurity in the working class, which creates a lot for the education system to work against.

Sounds like the system dodged a bullet, but would be improved if it could have ejected you in less than 2 years. Bemoaning the lack of beatings and then making an analogy between your pupils and livestock? Nice.

lol...did you read the article? It's the same all over...i was the rule, not the exception

I didn't think they were bemoaning a lack of beatings. It sounded like they were talking about how they don't have tools to discipline students. Stuff like some schools doing away with detention, etc. Then they put in their experience of corporal punishment growing up.

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