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I have seen several people talk personally about why they do not trust the vaccine from Johnson and Johnson on HN over the last year in various comments. Overwhelmingly they were attacked when they spoke on the cancer link with talc powder.

Regardless of the direct correlation or none at all to the 'contaminated' talc they were selling as a product with baby in the name, and it verifiable contained asbestos. I think the manner they public conduct themselves speaks volumes about how and where they generate wealth.

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Some of us don’t trust Pfizer either. Considering their track record of research fraud. (This is documented, it isn’t some conspiracy theory.)

In the US EUAs at the beginning, for me, it was 95% the technology and 5% the manufacturer convinced me mRNA vaccines were superior because of their precisely-targeted nature. It was a gamble between Pfizer and Moderna. Went with Moderna for the first 2 (before the data on "mix-and-match") and Pfizer booster.

Btw, sequencing of both mRNA vaccines:

https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV...

Luckily, you don't have to trust the pharmaceutical companies any more. You just have to look at the outcomes of literally billions of people who have been vaccinated, and see how much better those outcomes are on average compared to unvaccinated people:

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

> Overwhelmingly they were attacked when they spoke on the cancer link with talc powder.

As well they should be. Feeding vaccine FUD over an unrelated incident is dangerous at a time when trust in our institutions is so vital.

It is interesting how the prior comment you made was flagged and is dead. It does not share this direct stance.

I agree, trust in our institutions is a vital necessity, and it is very easy to lose and hard to gain. This can't be seen as unrelated since it shows the dictates of the company and the the level of coverup and legal maneuvering they use.

The only reason anyone was paid from the lawsuit with talc and asbestos contamination within the US, was because it does not fall under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. A legal vaccine indemnification program paid for by US citizens.

It would be hard for anyone to honestly trust in something they have no legal recourse in dealing with.

If you are vaccine-injured, what is the remedy? You can’t sue. What is the incentive for pharma to ensure a safe product if taxpayers are the ones holding the liability?

Which is why the government getting rid of the liability shield for vaccine manufacturers would have been the smartest and most reasonable action they could have taken to increase percentage of vaccinated population if it was really about public health.

> It is interesting how the prior comment you made was flagged and is dead. It does not share this direct stance.

Indeed! Currently in the red on fake internet points, but not flagged to the twilight zone. Also more replies and engagement. My interpretation of this outcome is still pending :D

Unrelated? Trust is earned. Companies are big, but senior leadership teams and boards are pretty small and wield an enormous amount of influence and power and since we can't predict future actions we can only look backwards. Not allowing people to speak out could end up being more dangerous in the long run.

It was J&J whose reaction to the poisoning of Tylenol is taught as a PR masterstroke in B-school. Apparently they didn't integrate the lesson.

J&J has a history of giving common people cancer for profit, and you think it's somehow the common people's fault for not trusting J&J? That is some pretty sick victim blaming there.

Can you really blame the people that are spoon fed fearporn from the media everyday and in a constant state of stockholm syndrome, while also being led to believe we live in a two-party state (right vs left), from picking a side? They are victims too but just don't know it yet.

I agree with you on this. People can also choose not to be spoon-fed fearporn from the media though...

That would require thinking for themselves. That requires say too much effort for most people, especially when they work at 9-5 doing useless work and want to shut off part of their brain to survive in this thing we call society.

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