FBI used geofence warrant in Seattle after BLM protest attack, documents show
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I do not see why the warrant requests data over such a long time frame. It seems likely to me that you could identify the perps from the mobile phone records by simply limiting the warrant request to 5 minutes before and 10 minutes after the event. There will be less data to sift through and the longer window after the event will allow you to track them to a vehicle or a nearby residence, etc. If the perps were carrying phones then they should be identifiable.
This warrant is overly broad and will pull innocent people into the investigation including people who may not have been participants but who may have only been in the neighborhood while it was happening and just decided to stop and take a few pictures to pass on to people in their social circles. (Social media cancer sufferers unite!).
A crime was committed and it is right to make an effort to locate and prosecute those responsible so that society has an opportunity to hold people accountable for their actions.
Once you dig into this you find another situation where it is true that if event A had never happened, then the likelihood of event B occurring is near zero. This event is the event B and in order for justice to be served, those who were involved in event A need to be held accountable. Committing crimes in an attempt to force accountability will not improve the situation for anyone and will likely only result in someone who would otherwise have enjoyed a happy, productive life being locked up for a crime of passion that should never have happened (event B).
We need technology that erodes the thin blue line serving as a refuge for cowards seeking to escape accountability for their crimes. Molotov cocktails chunked at a police station will never be that technology. I don't know what it looks like but there are some smart people on this forum who may have useful ideas to promote.
Edit: to be clear, I did not feel rage when reading the article. I don't want to invalidate your reaction, but I'm not convinced that the article was designed for that.
> While some towns saw significant property damage in the wake of the Jacob Blake protests, all evidence shows the attack against the Seattle union building was ineffective and notable mostly as an affront to local police.
The writer is expressing on opinion that the attack wasn't that bad and didn't justify this kind of warrant- not that the warrant should never be used-- just not used to investigate activity related to BLM activity. There is no mention as to the legality of throwing fire bombs at buildings or comment on the justification actually used in the warrant.
That doesn’t seem like an abuse of a crazy law from patriot act. It’s not like they swatted someone’s apartment for hate speech on Twitter without a warrant, someone tried to burn down a police building.
When corporations are holding the privacy line against the state, there are wolves in the pasture.
1. Issued in relation to attempted arson, which I think we all agree fits closer with "serious crime" than "civil disobedience"
2. The warrant is detailed and specifically identifies two specific subjects, identified through CCTV footage and described in the warrant.
3. Is approved by a magistrate in a federal court.
4. Is issued for a specific location and a specific timeframe (75 minutes).
5. Is for a specific record of movements during the location and time, without account details, before the FBI asks which account details they want to subpoena.
Let's look at the fourth amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
Is there probable cause? Indisputably.Was the application made under oath? Yes.
Is there a specific place? Yes, both in terms of space, and in terms of time.
Does it clearly describe what to be seized? Yes.
Has a warrant been issued by a Magistrate after review? Yes.
Sounds good to me. I oppose mass surveillance (fuck you, NSA), but this seems constitutional and reasonable to me.
They very likely had the capability: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/pegasus...
Requesting the data from Google has the advantage that it can also include iPhone users who have Google apps or apps using one or more of Google's analytics products with some kind of location access.
How so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo-fence_warrant search for Apple there and maybe provide a link why Apple can't find people that have maps, find my shit or other features on.
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelin... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
Find My:
> Device location services information is stored on each individual device and Apple cannot retrieve this information from any specific device. Location services information for a device located through the Find My feature is customer facing and Apple does not have content of maps or alerts transmitted through the service.
Air Tags:
> The interaction is end-to-end encrypted, and Apple cannot view the location of any AirTag or supported third-party products
By definition, hundreds of innocent persons will now be in an FBI database and will be investigated. Once you are in that database, you won't get out of it. After all, perhaps you'll be tagged in another dragnet operation.
Even if you aren't interrogated or harassed otherwise, perhaps you'll be searched more often by the TSA or magically stopped more often for "traffic violations". Or perhaps you won't get that job at a government agency.
I'd agree if it was the government that was survieling location. Instead, it's lots of people who buy mobile devices and agree to be survieled by a software company so their phone can do stuff for them. The government is asking for a reasonable amount of factual data from that non-government company. This is just bog standard police work.
>By definition, hundreds of innocent persons will now be in an FBI database and will be investigated.
People that were proximate to the scene of the crime will likely be questioned, but that doesn't mean they will be investigated as a suspect. The idea of a database that you can never get out of that will lead to you being targeted for enhanced law enforcement is something that shouldn't exist. But it is a different issue than a bog-standard arson investigation.
Incidentally, arson is a really awful crime. It kills a lot of innocent bystanders and often destroys properties that weren't intended to be damaged by the arsonist. I've experienced this twice in my own life, where someone destroyed their property (once to prevent the bank from foreclosing, and once to get a big insurance check) with fire, and ended up killing neighbors when their house was ignited by the fire started by the arsonist.
It’s no different than asking a witness for a testimony.
I would love for you to tell me how the methodology described in the article allows for hundreds of innocent persons to be inserted in an FBI database and investigated. Because right now, your point is directly at odds with what the article presents, meaning you either didn't read or understand the article, or you have some special knowledge above and beyond what is presented in the article which you should share with the rest of us.
Although frankly, the solution is simple. Use 24hr burner phones and never when making outside contact with someone...