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which state has "when children are around" as part of the law? Feels ripe for abuse and kind've unlikely....

Massachusetts: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/part7/part7b.htm#sec...

Can be times of day, "when flashing", or "when children are present". Time of day isn't great because of irregular after school activities, events, delayed starts because of snow, etc.

California is one.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/what-does-when-ch...

I live near a road that is divided and normally a 50, unless children are present. It'd be nice if they had flashing lights.

New York is one also, even though the signs don't say it.

https://www.dot.ny.gov/about-nysdot/faq/posting-speed-limit-...

This doesn’t say when children are present - it says school days and maybe specific times. No?

meant to reply one level higher in the thread.

California signs all say "When children are present". But I do think that's not a terribly difficult determination for a machine to make.

The idea of present might be a difficult one. I'm not up to speed on any court cases that have determined what present means, but it's likely more nuanced than a simple "can Tesla identify a child in sight". A human would be more likely to play it safe and just obey regardless.

My understanding is "present" means "school is in session", regardless of whether any children are visible.

Illinois https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=0...

> On a school day when school children are present and so close thereto that a potential hazard exists because of the close proximity of the motorized traffic

this lawyer https://www.jolietlaw.com/will-county-attorneys/understandin.... claims that means the limit is not in effect when kids are inside

I don't know the actual law, but California has school zone speed limit signs that say "when children are present."

This doesn't have to be state law, it can be municipal law. All it takes is city council putting up a sign that says "15 MPH when children are present".

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