I won the local election, but my township ignored the results and state law
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https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/uconsCheck.cfm...
The hired accountant does get most of the powers:
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/uconsCheck.cfm...
But not the power to set compensation for the township supervisors:
The board of auditors shall determine the compensations for the current year authorized in section 606 for supervisors employed by the township.
https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/uconsCheck.cfm...
We want curious conversation here. When you get to the point of fulminating about what "HN" has been saying, or you feel "HN" has been saying, the thread has left the path of curiosity a long time ago, and is well into the brush. We don't want that here.
I'm not saying your views are wrong (I have no idea what they are, and no idea what the situation is). But if your views are correct, this is the worst way to advocate for them, because it discredits them. No more of this, please.
I'm not saying that's the case, it's a made up scenario, but it's exactly how underpaid public servants "make up the difference", and it's why you need an auditor. The hired CPA wouldn't see anything wrong.
If you can't audit any accounts then what would the "other duties of the office" be for a board of auditors?
> The primary duties and functions of the Board of Auditors include:
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> - Acting as a fiscal watchdog for the citizens of the township
> - Auditing, settling, and adjusting the accounts of all elected or appointed officials who received or disbursed funds during the immediate preceding calendar year
> - Setting salaries for supervisors who are employed by the township
> - Auditing records of the local district justice, if deemed appropriate
> - Filing the annual report for the township, unless the Board of Supervisors contracts an outside accounting firm per the code. (Nevertheless, in some townships auditors work together very closely with the township staff to insure that all township funds are properly expended and accounted for.)
> - Hearing cases involving financial loss to the township as caused by any elected or appointed official, who have acted in a violation of law or beyond the scope of their office
There are a few things here the supervisors might not want an outsider to look into.
"the compensation for each Supervisor is hereby set at $3,250 per annum"
But more broadly, there's an active debate over whether governmental posts should either (a) pay enough that someone could live off of one; or (b) require the person holding the post to have independent means. This is clearly on the (b) side, often felt to exclude many social classes from being able to hold a post in the government. (And sometimes invoked as a reason to overlook corruption by the officeholder - "how else are they supposed to support themselves?")
Does that make any e.g. factory worker ineligible for titles? You might say to yourself 'but you don't want factory workers im office' - and then you'd be saying that some classes are worth more than others, that these are 'second class' citizens in the eyes of the law.
And that would be a pretty disgusting viewpoint.
If you can hold a job or make money, perhaps you should make nothing from the position, otherwise there should probably be a living wage stipulation.
Median income is $42k.
https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-p...
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N
The St Louis Fed website also shows census.gov as the source. Perhaps one statistic is including people who do not work such as old people and the other is not?
I didn't go look up the rule listed there, it might be pretty narrow.
When I was in my early 20s, I lived in a shared house with some other early 20-somethings. They were all off the beaten in some way, but more or less had their shit together. When I moved in, I certainly did not have my shit together. And I had never lived with other young adults who did.
I had been in the bad habit of leaving my dirty dishes in the sink, as had all of my former cohabitants. But these new roommates did not operate this way. One of them confronted me about it. I apologized, cleaned up my shit, and… repeated the whole behavior.
Again I was confronted. I apologized again, and next came the more important confrontation (paraphrasing, no way I could recall the exact wording): we already talked about this, you know what the expectation is, you just didn’t respect that. Well, that was true. It stung, and maybe it was a bit blunt, but it was inescapably true.
I didn’t even intend to leave my responsibilities for other people to take care of. But I was definitely, knowingly, leaving a mess they’d have to work around. Because I was prioritizing my own time allocation without regard for others.
Anyway, how all of that’s relevant: this township has done this before. It’s implausible that they’re ignorant of it, the second time. Especially as a cohort, where some will have better recall and a stronger inclination to improve than others. That leaves only the possibility that their motive falls within the range of motives for knowingly disregarding an election result, again as a cohort. Maybe I lack imagination, but I think the only reasonable conclusion is corruption.
I can think of 0 valid reasons to ghost and undermine your elected auditors.
But that doesn’t make it right. If you are dealing with elected offices you need to deal with whomever is elected.
The part that was missing from the twitter thread is a reply stating the scope of the auditor role not covered by the CPA, and an affirmation that they seek to carry out this duty.
I guess my take comes down to Hanlon's razor: never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity. The council doesn't know what he wants to do after election and he didn't spell it out for them. It seems that they want to be (1) publicly sworn in and (2) change township processes somehow so that they can be a more effective community watchdog.
Humans tend towards greed and lining their own pockets, just look at any dysfunctional government that has ever existed. I would not be surprised that half the politicians in office in thw US are taking bribes or dealing under the table. There are numerous public examples, you can guess that its only the tip of the iceberg.
They won't identify that specific vendors, possibly related to the supervisors, are over paid for thier services.
Everyone knows auditors only have the capacity to look at a small sample of records; and that difficult, demanding auditors don't get appointed next year.
$14 million?
There is more incompetence than malice. There are well intentioned people trying to navigate conflicting laws, statues, bylaws, and codes of conduct.
You ask three different people the same question and get four answers.
When I read this situation it sounds almost normal.
"Not knowing how things work" is only an excuse up until someone explains to they, "I was elected, here is the law," and they deliberately refuse to acknowledge it
(The reason people run for these obscure, low-paying jobs is so they can get rich on the taxpayers' dime - so they can rezone and procure and otherwise redirect money and influence to their own interests. No one does it as a fun hobby.)
Most people I’ve met doing anything like this for less than minimum wage are absolutely doing it for fun, or to help their communities.
If they sometimes assign the job to their friend Josh instead of the faceless general contractor 3 towns over, can you blame them?
Only this auditor is more persistent.
The current mayor's father was also a mayor of Miami and was subject to intense fraud in his election campaign (https://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/05/us/fraud-ruling-invalidat...). They also hired a police chief recently who was almost immediately fired when he exposed how corrupt the city commission is (https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/01/19/fired-miami-po...). The same city commission is being sued and investigated by the feds for extorting and trying to shut down a local business one of the commissioners didn't like (https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miamis-joe-carollo-sued-f...).
Our culture is so addicted to stimulation that we just don't want to spend time on something as boring and banal as a city council meeting.
The city of Santa Monica broadcasts city council meetings. And both the items being adjudicated and the members from the public stepping up to the mic, are every bit as colorful as the brightest Hollywood blockbusters. I listened for years after leaving LA… KCRW Thursday evenings, grab some popcorn and enjoy!!
Tangential —- a lot of cities/towns stream city council and other committees on the internet.
Santa Monica City has around 100K population. That video has ~500 views and it's on the Internet. The public barely cares.
There's also the fact that if Santa Monica's politics are that interesting, then people are more likely to be disappointed with how boring their local politics are.
Of course I can. Off the top of my head:
City Council:
Lisa Herbold - neighborhood
Teresa Mosqueda - at large
Sara Nelson - at large, newly elected
Mayor:
Bruce Harrell - newly elected, replaced Jenny Durkan after one term. Was previously on the city council for 13 (?) years.
City Attorney:
Ann Davison - newly elected, replaced Pete Holmes who failed to advance through the primary after 12 years.
County Executive:
Dow Constantine - narrowly re-elected. Recently granted additional power to appoint the county sheriff.
These are the elected positions I vote on. I am also aware of appointed positions like parks, police, and city transit. I’m aware of the the parts of the council I don’t vote for.
I’m also aware of policy. Hazard pay for grocery workers. Attempting to stop catalytic converter theft. Fixing the bridge. Mask mandates. Public transit expansion. Defunding police.
I get a lot of my coverage of these events from the hyperlocal blog that covers my neighborhood. I have their number saved to text reports when I see them. They publish coverage of most local government meetings. I visit that site as often as HN.
But are you aware that most people cannot?
This reminds me of a strategy I once heard on how to assign weights to people's votes according to their knowledge. You want to assign a high weight to those with relevant knowledge and low weight to those with little relevant knowledge.
So how do you know who has good relevant knowledge? Rather than just collecting the response to a question: "How many beans do you think are in this jar?" you also ask the _meta_ question: "What do you think will be the average response to the first question above?" For those who perform well on question 2, you assign higher weight to their answers on question 1.
If you just average all the answers to question 1, you are likely to get a close approximation to the true number of beans in the jar. But if you assign weights according to performance on question 2, you can get an even closer approximation to the true answer.
I may have gotten some details wrong, but the idea is that if you are aware of your peers' level of knowledge about a topic, then you are likely to be knowledgeable about the topic yourself.
What about Port of Seattle, Seattle Public Schools, King County Council, and King Conservation District?
My city council recently spent until 1am debating zoning regulations for California's new ADU law instead of doing the sane thing and just letting people build ADUs.
It's quite easy to end up having a 1:1 conversation with a serious candidates for local office. Just 2 weeks ago I donated $500 to a candidate for CA state assembly and the next day I got a call from the candidate thanking me for the donation.
And it's pretty easy to volunteer for various organizations involved in local politics and get access to the current supervisor or state assembly member who is aligned with that organization.
And public comment is actually just like it's portrayed on Parks and Recreation.
Garbage trucks provide a critical public service. Without them I would have to buy a different vehicle.
Maybe because zoning and permitting are a large part of the reasons why they can't find an affordable house in the area?
A few years earlier something similar happened to me when crossing a rural border station near Organ Pipe National Park in Arizona--the officer demanded I pay an "import tax" for the stuff in my car. (I was moving from DC back to SF, taking the more scenic routes wherever I could. The American border guards were sitting in lawn chairs a mile up the road.) I think I talked him down to $10 after 5 minutes of haggling, at which point his supervisor walks over, smiling, and tells him to leave me alone just as the money was about to exchange hands. The supervisor had been peeling an orange while enjoying the spectacle. I guess he must've been bored that day.
Now that's open corruption. And where there's any amount of open corruption, it's a good guess that hidden corruption is extremely pervasive. But if there's not such open corruption (and it's exceedingly rare if not non-existent in the U.S.), we can't make any wild assumptions about hidden corruption.
If you look at the data, actual corruption is quite rare in the U.S., relatively speaking. As mentioned elsethread, in global terms we're near the tippy top. It didn't used to be this way. Even open corruption was once not uncommon in the U.S. At the turn of the 20th century, as civil service reforms gained momentum across the country--municipal, state, and Federal--some elected politicians openly defended kick-back schemes as being democratic. But they lost. This removed much of the opportunity and incentive except when privately and discretely dealing with elected officials or public-facing servants (e.g. cops, inspectors, etc). Later, private rights of action that permitted people to sue municipalities, and the creation of FBI criminal units to proactively investigate corruption schemes even among high-level elected officials, helped to dramatically reduce remaining corruption by creating very real costs at all levels of government. Your example is literally an example of why the U.S. doesn't see much corruption--it comes with very real risks. The FBI and DoJ are still beyond repute when it comes to corruption, even if state-based enforcement officials still too often look the other way. Every politician sweats even the prospect of drawing attention from the Feds.
Instead, Americans now call "corruption" whatever policies and decisions they disagree with if they don't understand the motivations behind them. It's pure cynicism and, ultimately, fatalistic. (And being illegal doesn't ipso facto make something corruption either; no more than violating copyright turns you into a willful criminal.)
That doesn't mean things couldn't be better. Or that real corruption of the type normally implied by the term doesn't actually exist--the cited conspiracy among some LA councilmen is classic corruption, albeit not open. But like with the term "racism", in order to sustain the same prevalence of accusations people have had to dramatically expand the scope of the term when forced to defend themselves. That doesn't mean what's now being referred to isn't unfair, wrong, or otherwise illegitimate, but we've long since descended into word games. Which is unproductive as within this expanded set of problems, there are no common ways to address and resolve them (e.g. simple, across-the-board reforms or related measures); by equivocating we're hurting our ability to identify causation and meaningfully mitigate and remediate actual, substantive issues.
There are many ways you can legally bribe a politician in USA. Those bribes are passed in the open, there are even online trackers of those bribes. There are loopholes allowing corruption in other countries too, but nowhere else I encountered such acceptance to bribing politicians with corporate money.
The corruption I describe is pretty literal corruption at least in LA city hall. It's not policymaking, its literally quid pro quo. Jose Huizar was a councilmember when a developer handed him like 50 grand cash in a paper bag and purchased escorts for him in Vegas. Mark Ridley Thomas was also a councilmember when he got USC to give his son a degree and a position in return for a public grant. They were arrested by the FBI because they broke the law, not because Americans didn't understand the motivations of their policymaking. They did these things because there is a political environment present in LA county and city governments where this sort of behavior is commonplace, and local moneyed interests take advantage of that fact all too regularly.
My friend has about 4 speeding tickets (over 40mph over) that he gets away by talking to the right lawyer and paying for a "consultation".
Another acquaintance of mine bragged about his growth hack of selling his product to <public authorities> through donating to the campaigns of <elected officials>.
Didnt the head of Apple security also get caught giving large gifts to Cupertino police in exchange for concealed carry licenses?
You'd be extremely naive to think hidden corruption isn't pervasive in the USA.
On the other end of the scale you can imagine a paper democracy where all the top positions in government and state owned business are corruptly given to the leader's family, but everybody else follow the law, doesn't take bribes etc. It's still very corrupt, it's just a different kind of corruption.
It talks about local PD and politicians protecting individuals from consequences and sweeping their crimes under the rug.
Sadly it is more common than folks think, a similar thing happened at my HS (also in Ohio, a similar small town) in 2002.
For this and other reasons, after my dad's single term as selectman, he vowed never to be involved in politics again.
https://www.ccpa.net/DocumentCenter/View/38413/Unofficial-Su...
I would hope that the PA Attorney General would take an interest in getting him seated.
It's better to have a strong judiciary than a strong administrative police, imho.
That's largely because "pilfering of the public good" is much more precisely defined in such systems. There is plenty of corruption in anglo systems too. In fact, having moved to England, I've become accustomed to a degree of impropriety I honestly did not expect. It's just that a series of behaviors that would be explicitly considered illegal where I come from, here belong to a grey area that may or may not ever be illuminated by lawsuits. Because oversight is extremely weak, one can get away very easily with administrative murder. It's easy to look honest when bad behavior is not considered dishonest.
That whole chunk of the state is a hot mess. Harrisburg is the city that famously bankrupted itself building a trash furnace, had to go into receivership, had a receiver appointed by the state, and then had that receiver flee the country.
If you're reading and you're really determined to overcome corruption, you need to document everything. Getting the other auditor on board would be good too. Make sure you assert that the privilege of holding office is yours, provide the certificate, and show them the laws. If they still deny you the authority and position, then look up a PA law called official oppression. Report this crime to the police. If they decline to cite/arrest, look up the process for filing a private criminal complaint. The DA could still decline to prosecute, but you could appeal that decision to a judge. Good luck (my experience is nobody in the system actually cares and they'll side with the establishment).
If there is something in the laws that requires the Board of Supervisors to cooperate in the swearing-in or otherwise, then you can ask a court to force them to do it. This is called an application for a writ of mandamus, which is a special court order for a public official to perform a duty that they are required by law to do. You'd think that'd be pointless, but it converts a violation of a random state law (with no specific penalties attached) into a potential violation of a court order, which attaches various coercive powers controlled by the judiciary. One of those powers is imprisonment, for example. To the untrained ear that does sound a bit like criminal punishment, and it really is pretty close. The overall scheme is that public officials must do their duty, lest they be told again by the judiciary, in which case they really must do it.
Marbury v. Madison isn't relevant here because the office was an elected, not appointed, position. There was another case, however, in which the U.S. House of Representatives refused to swear in a new member who had been elected and subsequently convicted of some serious crimes. I don't think the case was litigated though. (If I recall, the elected person resigned.)
Other than that, Marbury was entitled to the remedy of mandamus, so he should have filed in a lower court instead. If he had, that court could have issued the writ or declined to; so too could SCOTUS have heard an appeal and either issued a writ or declined to. (I can't remember if he subsequently tried this.) My reference to Marbury v. Madison sits in between the 1st and 3rd parts of the decision: we (1st) pretend we've ascertained a similar statement to "having this legal title to the office, he has a consequent right to the commission; a refusal to deliver which is a plain violation of that right", and then ignore the (3rd) jurisdiction problem because it's not relevant, simply assume we're filing in a court that does have this power in its original jurisdiction (most of them do, basically only SCOTUS does not).
Bearing in mind that I mainly brought it up to emphasise that this is a problem we've seen before and has better solutions than this guy's idea of getting people to comment on the Board's Facebook page, this is the part (the 2nd part of the decision) that best reflects why I think it's relevant:
> It has already been stated that the applicant has, to that commission, a vested legal right, of which the executive cannot deprive him. He has been appointed to an office, from which he is not removable at the will of the executive; and being so appointed, he has a right to the commission which the secretary has received from the president for his use. The act of congress does not indeed order the secretary of state to send it to him, but it is placed in his hands for the person entitled to it; and cannot be more lawfully withheld by him, than by another person. [...] This, then, is a plain case of a mandamus, either to deliver the commission, or a copy of it from the record; it only remains to be inquired, Whether it can issue from this court.
There is clearly an analogy here, not one that is actually a precedent, but an analogy nonetheless. Focus on "an office, from which he is not removable at the will of the executive", which is what this guy has.
The Governor probably doesn't care about respecting local officials' pettiness, state police would more than suffice.
There are even precedents for the federal executive exercising their power, when Eisenhower used the army to enforce Brown v. Board integration. https://www.history.com/news/little-rock-nine-brown-v-board-...
Not sure if Twitter is effective in the same way.
And because you do not talk about that kind of collapse, you get people like Joe Arpaio who (after years!) finally got convicted for contempt of court - which however did not stop Trump from pardoning him of course.
Or pick up the phone and call the local FBI and/or DoJ, who investigate color of law, which is exactly what this is.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-l...
If you mean report the police for not citing/arresting, then FBI/DOJ are not interested in prosecuting. Those actions fall under law enforcement discretion. The police have the power to decide not to arrest or cite someone, even if they plainly broke the law.
On a side note, I did file a DOJ civil rights complaint (results in injunctive relief instead of criminal charges like the FBI color of law) against the state police practices. It sounds like the DOJ gets too many complaints to handle and isn't interested in, or doesn't have the resources for, small rights violations.
So my experience is that literally nobody in the system is interested in investigating and upholding the integrity of out system. Our system is built on sweeping the dirt under the rug, as evidenced in the court rulings that releasing judicial complaints, even ones containing exculpatory evidence, would be too injurious to the system (the only way they would be injurious is if they were incompetent or corrupt with nothing being done about it).
You sue the town for violating state law.
The town either settles, or you go to court, and if you win, the court compels them to comply with the law, and the town probably has to cover legal fees.
In practice I'm sure this is mostly just people who do almost nothing for anyone collecting tax dollars for themselves with no consequences.
That's what the auditors are supposed to be for, after all.
It’s rare for a libertarian to get elected, even more so in a write-in scenario.
That's the best opportunity for a dedicated candidate to rally enough support to get elected even if they aren't one of the two major parties, especially to a relatively small potatoes office like this.
Then the older, more conservative types got wind of it and ended up fielding three candidates, all of whom split the vote allowing Moore to win.
So in the end, he spent his last months of high school being the principal’s boss and being called “sir” instead of being yelled at for having his shirt untucked again.
Should be a good time. I'd assume eventually it'll come down to lawyers when you get ignored too much or they try to throw you out.
I'm not a lawyer, the above is just my first instinct.
I'd assume it eventually comes down to a real estate broker who literally doesn't know how to run an audit but none-the-less ran for auditor, being sworn in by people who NEVER INTENDED TO NOT SWEAR HIM IN, sitting in front of an excel spreadsheet, and either finding nothing or making shit up. Since the town is already audited by an external CPA firm that is fairly large and doesn't have any incentive to run cover-up for a tiny township.
As for how to learn to do the job, I'd be surprised if there's not a youtube series on it. There is for every other dumb thing I look up.
He doesn't have the power to conduct audits when the township hires a CPA for that.
But, also, this is a perfect example of a Hanlon's razor situation. What's more likely:
a) the board that doesn't know how to do its job particularly well and figures "we hired a CPA... ya know, a professional who knows how to audit... so thanks for volunteering but we don't need a sci-fi author atm. Thanks.", or
b) there's some sort of vast conspiracy involving multiple elected officials, a mid-sized auditing firm with a dozen Principal CPAs half a state away, etc... to... what? steal funds from a tiny township with no meaningful tax base? And, not only that, but the township's administration thinks that not sitting the board of auditors is the least conspicuous way to cover things up.
My interpretation of this thread is that the supervisors are almost certainly more incompetent than corrupt and that the author is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
This is happening more and more often in local government [1]. We have a malcontent on our local school board who is convinced the entire system is Out To Get Her. In reality, she just has no god damn clue how anything works and has a wicked personality disorder.
[1] https://www.inquirer.com/business/tax-collector-jeffrey-cutl...
Personal anecdote: old professor married a young student. Got her to do a PhD. Got her a non-tenure track position with his department. Refused to retire until she was given his tenure track job. Said it openly. (Can you guess his subject? You guessed it: Philosophy.)
Nepotism is one way of protecting your children then.
Why would Philo be particularly bad as nonrevenue humanities go? I'm shocked they grant tenure in humanities anymore, colleges are so morally bankrupt. I assume that is going to change very soon.
Humanities aren't generally "revenue" departments in terms of grants, so I'd assume they'd go after those with the usual union busting techniques (since tenure is kind of a distributed union).
One trick corps did for unions was to have the established union workers "sell out" the incoming workers. So the old guard gets to keep sweet benefits, pay, seniority, while new hires did not. The people in charge of the unions and the existing base would drop that negotiation, but the management knew that attrition and age would phase out the union.
I'm pretty sure institutions are doing this by increasing adjunct percentages and the like. Meanwhile, the professors with tenure turn a blind eye and as long as they keep their position, who cares about anyone else.
Of course most of these people were... baby boomers.
I've wondered about such trends, and wondered why I as a new employee didn't get the same healthcare and retirement benefits that older "grandfathered-in" employees got. Thank you for clarifying. Finally, I understand.
The role of an elected auditor is to audit.
If OP wants to weigh in on budgetary judgement -- aside from finding actual fraud -- he should run for supervisor.
He'll need a bit more than a couple hundred votes.
I do not want the author’s politics to succeed, but I definitely want to see this made right according to the votes cast.
While most people think of Libertarian right on the basic political compass when thinking about libertarians. Lib-right and lib-left do have a fair amount of overlap on certain things. Although, considering your politics I can understand your dislike since most lib-right are quite pro business, but their politics are more than that.
The only reason I brought up my political difference was to make absolutely clear that I am advocating for seating a political opponent, because not doing so is undemocratic.
Like I am not sure which type of communist you are, but if you are along the lines of an anarcho-communist or the lib-left area. All I was saying the main disagreements between the two are regarding business and property ownership. For a lot of things there is a lot of overlap. (They both are south on the basic compass after all) Although some big L libertarians are very hardcore capitalists so I can understand your concerns. Although yea this is a bit of a tangent. I guess all I was trying to say was I am not sure why the concern for a non-policy position.
Note: that's just conjecture, i have no idea what Kevin's specific type of Libertarian is, maybe he's a sensible one, even though i can't see how that would work.
PS with my favourite quote on libertarians - "They are like house cats. They are convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand." By John Spaulding
"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." - Stalin.
So even if you believe you live under democracy. You may not.
In this case, OP's FPV discovered he doesn't live under democracy. Obviously this is just local election, which is often more powerful and more corrupt than a larger government.
You now have to hope that the corrupt non-democractic government allows you? lol good luck.
Edit: this is a serious concern, I can’t read what is being posted.
Here's an unrolled version of the thread on threadreader:
Corruption is a pretty low bar. Why don't we go for laziness? The supervisors are lazy. They don't want to deal with the bureaucracy of an auditor which basically has no powers when a CPA is hired. They also don't want to deal with the yearly random "informed citizen" who decides *this is the year* he's going to participate in local government, despite never having been in the local township offices before.
There's a word for this type of idiot, but I can't find it right now.
Your run-off-the-mill accountant will only check that there was enough budget, a quote, a confirmation from some admin staff that the service has been provided as agreed, a bill for that service referring to the quote, and a record from admin that the bill has been paid.
The entire point of having an independently (!) elected auditor is to make sure that there are no shady deals going on - things like vendors excessively charging for services based upon golf-club deals with the mayor.
> They also don't want to deal with the yearly random "informed citizen" who decides this is the year he's going to participate in local government, despite never having been in the local township offices before.
Actually, these kind of "informed citizens" are those that actually serve the interests of society the best - they don't go and accept stuff simply because it has always been done so. They go in, dive deep and hold people accountable!
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
HN is a statistical distribution across a wide spectrum. The only thing that helps is to make sure your own contributions raise the median quality, rather than dragging it down further.
It’s also been institutionalized via regulatory capture etc such that things often go unnoticed by the general public. On top of this trying to bring up how corrupt other countries are perceived is pure whataboutism.
You don’t need to be from the right family or even have gone to the right school. As long as you can pay, you can play.
Beyond that the vastly expanded definition of felon has eroded the ability for at least 5.1 million Americans to vote. Immigration is almost more a question of voting than anything else. Add in various forms of voter suppression and frankly Americans politics has almost completely been separated from the “will of the people.”
A comment lacking in substance doesn't really warrant a more substantive rebuttal than was given.
What is valid about this hyperbolic statement? We live in the most peaceful and productive time in history.
The past 100 years of history have shown us the horrors of what happens when things rupture.
Faith in necessary institutions is needed to keep them running. The institutions are deemed necessary because they keep #6734 and people like them safe. You owe #6734 et al. safety as part of the social contract. Therefore the institutions are owed your faith.
The assumptions beyond that I think are:
-The institutions actually keeps them safe (and not just feeling safe)
OR
-The institution only really keeps them feeling safe, but feeling safe is the actual value here worth preserving.
AND
-This social contract is in your best interests because it will be upheld for you too.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-men-who-lost-america-an...