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That’s interesting. I guess I never really thought about it, but on dvorak `ls` is a double tap with the right pinky, and it’s often immediately followed by [enter] with the same pinky… I type that key sequence a lot

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Highly recommend you look into keyboards that have "Enter" and "Backspace" reachable by thumb/index fingers. I've been dailying a TECK for nearly a decade, and it's helped immensely with RSI.

Their new Clevo keyboard is a bit different, so can't vouch for it, but my SO likes it so far as first foray into ergo keyboards: https://trulyergonomic.com/

Plover[1] and stenography has come up occasionally on HN, but I haven't seen anyone say they've given it a serious try.

I keep feeling like it would be good for emails and documentation, if not code. More text for fewer keypresses.

[1] http://www.openstenoproject.org/plover/

I would really want to try that, but it seems extremely tied to the language. for English that's cool, but I write code, greeklish (Greek with English characters) and English daily. That means that for these three I would need to configure things and that seems like waaaaay to high of an up front investment for a trial.

I used some generation of Truly Ergonomic for a few years and it started getting repeating/missing characters... at $250 it was too big of an expense for me to rebuy. While it worked though, I was very happy with it

My impression was that they used some slightly chattery Cherry MX keyswitches combined with a controller with a poor debounce routine. (The electrical output of many switches "bounces" quickly on and off a few times when changing states. This can cause dropped or doubled key presses if not accounted for by the keyboard controller.) I’m not sure if the batches of Cherry MX switches they had were bad, or if some amount of chatter is inevitable given the switch design.

From their marketing it looks like they have changed to (Kailh-made?) switches that use a light sensor instead of an electrical contact. https://trulyergonomic.com/ergonomic-keyboards/best-truly-er...

I guess that’s one alternative to implementing a better debounce routine.

You should try the ergodox. I similarly bought the TECK because I wanted an ergonomic keyboard with a standard-ish layout and loved it, but it died in a couple of years. After that I bought an Ergodox EZ and have been very happy with it.

I added

  alias h=ls
  alias hh='ls -l'

to my .zshrc about 10 minutes after I started using Dvorak, 18 years ago. "ls" on its own is OK. It's not an especially common bigram (wails, fills, also, Welsh, whilst), but I can't find any English word matching ls[rlvz], which is the pattern of "ls -l". Compulsive, compulsory, falser, impulsive, maelstrom, pulsar, wellspring come closest.

I believe LSZ is all with the pinky in the usual method[1]. There's no other option on the keyboard I bought a couple of years ago, which also has several thumb keys.

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_Dvorak_keyboard_l...

[2] https://imgur.com/gallery/UIZ8Jz3

You don't use your ring finger for l?

No, but thinking about it that would make sense. Is that considered the correct posture? I’ve always used my pinky finger for L and ?

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