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I think the number of times this is being submitted/discussed shows both how many people are effected and how annoyed they are.
I think it’s worth sticking this thread so it doesn’t vanish @dang
Three months ago I picked up new hobby: Self Hosting. It has been an amazing ride. I learned a lot and I also get peace of mind knowing I am in control of my data. I understand that there is no self-hosted alternative for certain SaaS services but I think that will change as more and more people choose to be in control of their data.
A good place to start [1]
A fun hack is to run a captcha-free fake forum and allow random bot signups to generate outbound mail volume and trust.
But pretty much everything else is super fun to self-host, especially if you get comfortable with docker and reverse proxies like nginx.
Ideally your phones could be the web servers, and a new class of apps could be created that run on your phone, acting as both client and server.
It is possible to encrypt file system on VPS. Maybe you could look into it if you choose to go with cloud provider option. The main reason I avoid them is because of the uncertainty around pricing.
Encrypted volumes need to be unlocked, and that needs a key in RAM somewhere. The hosting provider has full access to RAM if they want to, and can extract the keys.
I’m not sure if people don’t understand this, or don’t care, but the tsunami of people using the Cloud points to it being some mix of both.
Heck they could even subsidize my fee by selling me ads... oh, wait a second...
I am stuck in the same boat as many others who created it for the family 10+ years ago and now am going through how to move each service (GMail, Drive, Keep, Photos, YouTube etc etc) to a plain Gmail account. I have most of it worked out, but it is going to take a lot of time getting 5 people migrated.
Sigh.
It seems like Google really ought to consider adding a family plan SKU to Google Workspace, disabling all the business features, and charging $75/year for a whole domain.
Instead, the current path is going to piss off thousands of their most loyal power users as they force these graybeards to manually help migrate all their family members from the Legacy GSuite plans to vanilla Google accounts. Or worse, it's going to piss off all the family members that end up losing access to every email, photo, app, and doc they've acquired over the past decade on their now defunct legacy account.
Christ, does nobody at Google give a shit about goodwill?
Sadly there are too many things I have tied to Google that I am not sure if I can make that switch to Microsoft. But it is getting more and more tempting.
I am holding out a tiny hope that maybe if there is enough negative PR, Google will create a cheaper plan or perhaps provide an off ramp for people that want to switch/migrate to consumer accounts.
One tactic I am contemplating is using the Cloudflare Email Forwarder (https://www.cloudflare.com/apps/email-forwarding) - this way I can keep all the custom domain email addresses and groups/mailing-lists and redirect them to the new personal gmail accounts. Only problem is that email replies will originate from the new personal addresses.
My web host for my website gives me “free” SMTP services with my hosting so I did initially setup smtp for sending and receiving though gmail, but I ran into a problem where the web host’s smtp servers were often flagged as spam for outbound email, so that sucked. I could get email, but felt like I had to reply using my gmail address to guarantee delivery.
However, I had previously setup outbound email using AWS SES (Simple Email Service) for a different website that sends out transactional emails and had an idea. I setup AWS SES to send out my personal domain emails from gmail and now delivery is great. I rarely have emails flagged as spam. Unfortunately, AWS SES is outbound only, so you cannot use it for both inbound and outbound. I get inbound email to gmail by having it setup to check the web host’s smtp (but you could use forwarding like you mention), and I send outbound email through AWS SES with great delivery results, all through the gmail web client.
Now, this is not a route I would casually recommend. It is arguably a pain in the a* to setup AWS SES. But since this audience here on Hackernews is more of a geek/DIY crowd I thought I would mention it. You can setup AWS SES to send out emails from a personal account for pennies a month. You could arguably setup a Free tier AWS account and never go over the free limits. If you are willing to do some upfront work, it can be dirt cheap to do, and you get to learn the intricacies of email setup like SPF, DMARC, and DKIM.
You can configure a regular gmail account to send from the custom domain. Visit:
Settings -> Accounts and Import -> Send mail as
You'll have to confirm ownership of the alternate email address, but it works fine. Even if the alternate email address is associated with a Gsuite domain.
You need to setup an "App password" on your Google account. Then, when you create an alias, you enter smtp.gmail.com and your app password credential as the smtp server.
Here: https://support.google.com/domains/answer/9437157?hl=en
Protonmail[0], for example, has Mail, Calendar, and a Drive service. Pricing is on the high side, unfortunately.
Migadu[1] has Mail and Calendar, and pricing is particularly attractive.
The next higher plan would already have me pay almost five times as much and apart from the higher limits just enables business features that are unnecessary for families.
I've only personally hit the limit once in the last two years, but I have a hard time believing that e.g.: 100 emails a day would impact their bottom line. I'm kinda tempted to just use Sendgrid's free tier for SMTP which is 100/d.
I can't see this being less than a 60 hour project for me to deal with in total, so the main thing I'm upset about is what I perceive to be a short amount of time to deal with.
So far my best bet looks like signing up as a Fastmail reseller so that users can be directly billed by Fastmail. My preference would be to stay with Google because of all the issues I think I might run into by migrating off of it (mostly related to using it for authentication for other services, which is a practice I no longer do, but did for some time).
If Google would allow each user to pay separately for what they need, then that would be an easy decision for me, because I want to stay, but I don't want to pitch 146 other Wikman's to pay me to pay Google.
Has anyone else managed to solve that problem?
> Users of Gmail who retain the "@gmail.com" domain suffix and have free Google accounts that give them Calendar, Drive, Docs and so on will not be affected — at least for now. [2]
> This change applies only to those people, often in families or small businesses, who have been using a Google service that gave them free custom domain names and associated email addresses. [2]
Cheers!
And uhmmm, that's my issue, I don't remember what even the account name of my GSuite admin is... much less the password.
If the administrator left the company, can a user become an admin?
Yes. Current users can ask to become an administrator on the account by completing this form. Users will be required to prove domain registration ownership by creating a custom CNAME or TXT record. If the domain registration verification is successful and none of the existing administrators object, the user will be promoted to the super administrator role.
Until Google mails me mitigation strategies, what can I do?
Google doesn't really understand what a lot of folks are even using this stupid product for (custom email domains and that's it).
They don't care. At all. You are the product, not the customer.
Why inform you of anything?
Google does this all. the. time. If you use any google product, expect to lose it without a moment's notice, no recourse, and tough beans if you don't like it.
https://www.androidpolice.com/google-gsuite-free-legacy-clas...
Apparently, all purchases, etc vanish. Or are not transferable at least. It is a little unclear.
I say Google is uncaring, but just wow. Wow.
https://workspace.google.com/terms/standard_terms.html
It would be interesting if it didn't, which could suggest there's a different free product. "Google Workspace for Nonprofits", for example, seems to be unaffected by this change, and still free.
The failure of Google to offer a way out of this trap means it must be politically and/or technically difficult. I used to work at Google a few years ago and I can substantiate that everything is politically difficult and I've seen enough of the way domain accounts were implemented to believe it could be technically difficult too.
I've already got nextcloud hosted locally, and could easily add calendar support.
The missing piece of the puzzle is email, and how mad android devices are going to get when their "google" email address no longer points to a google service.
My real plan is to wait for enough pain at Google by other nerdy employees to either solve the political or technical issues migrating out, or for this policy change to go away.
I'll have my bags packed, but I still have hope that July is far enough away to not have to turn out the lights behind me.
The trust that the product will remain is gone. I guess I need to start packing my bags too.
We have very basic free tier (allowed to send up to 3 emails per day for each mailbox if mobile phone is validated). We haven't deleted any validated domain for 15 years and will not do it in the future. We have also option to import all your mailboxes from gmail with google admin credentials.
Moving email service is not such a big deal, but we have hundreds of Google Docs files to try to transfer. My research indicates this is a laborious process.
1. Move all your shit into that one folder
2. Share folder with your @gmail account
3. In your @gmail account, make a copy of all the files in your shared folder into the parent directory.
No need to download and re-upload.
i can switch providers as I please and every user can use their preferred provider. my mom likes outlook.com so her email goes there instead of Gmail. if I want to switch to proton, I can change just my own and move it there.
I still use Google but moved all my stuff to consumer googlw with Gmail. Only thing I lost was Google Android apps purchases.
Movies could be moved through MoviesAnywhere with some
To try and migrate my email I just bought a Hetzner Webhosting package for 1.9 euros a month for my custom domain. There is an option during the order to use your own domain but leave the registration/dns settings where they are.
I'm now trying to figure out how use a subdomain on my current registrar to test the Hetzner mail. Currently the default mx is G Suite Free.
If all goes well this may be my migration path from Google. I'm grateful for what I have had for free from Google but I am weary of their killing stuff.
You had an absolutely free service built on top of ad revenue. Now that free service has to pay for itself (due to investor or executive pressure). They are charging what is arguably around the same price point as alternatives with high feature parity.
Google isn't "killing" anything, they are just asking users to start paying for it. Perhaps that loses them some users, but they are clearly after something else here (revenue, maybe they have data on how paid users behave differently, perhaps spam/bad actors are a concern on the free plan, idk)
First, yes, what they've been offering us has value, however, regular Google accounts are free. So asking us to pay $72 per year per user over the standard $0 just for a vanity domain is a little steep. Especially when many of these installs aren't businesses, they're just family domains.
Worse, the bait and switch here is unreasonable. There's no documentation or tooling for migrating from the legacy accounts to vanilla Google accounts. Suppose I don't want to pay $864/year for my family domain. What am I supposed to do with the gigabytes of emails, google docs, photos, app purchases, etc?
Is the choice here really either A) pay up, or B) all your shit goes in the digital dumpster? That's a rotten fucking way to treat somebody that's been advising people to use Google services for over a decade...
Switching service is neither easy nor free for most users. I wouldn't mind a world where businesses limit free to much longer time frames (say, 5 years) but make it blatantly obvious at sign up. The user can then make an informed choice on whether they are okay with your offer or not.
The program was designed to get family mail admins to bring users to gmail en mass. See this: https://imgur.com/a/wQdMCIz
I don't think it's the money that bothers me. I just don't trust what I commit to in Google land will be around in five year's time....and I also didn't 'buy' into workspace, just email with custom domain.
It all feels a bit like being part of someone else's experiment :-)
For many of these users, Google is asking them to pay for... not really anything in return. Maybe they only used the custom email domain, maybe not even that. Maybe they're just asking them to pay for the continued ability to pay for other services like Android apps, YouTube Premium, extended drive storage etc, and continued access to things like Docs/Hangouts that other users will continue to have for free.
The fact that google/alphabet is a ad company meaning, all their service is target at mining your data email and everything!!! Nothing on google ought to be charged in this case, in fact they really ought to be paying us for using their service, because they are making money from our data.
0. https://workspace.google.com/learn-more/security/security-wh...
9 years ago, which was the last time this was available to sign up? It had a few other features, like docs/drive but regular consumers had access to pretty much the same.
12 years ago when it was first available? Yes, it was just email at your custom domain.
So for a lot of affected users they've gradually been dragged along as it becomes a more and more business focused product, then Google turns around and wonders why it's giving us these business features we don't care for/use for free. But because in that time Google has pushed to have everything Googly linked to a single Google account, we have a lot of regular consumer stuff linked to the same account.
So would an official transition method to personal. I submitted a link to https://www.39digits.com/migrate-g-suite-account-to-a-person... (2017) with a few notes [0] earlier today which seems to still mostly work. But the lack of purchase transfer means the pain will vary massively. Those of us who only used it as one of many possible custom domain email systems purely for old school client based IMAP email of course have the easiest smoothest pass. Jumping to something nice like MXroute or Migadu pretty much covers it (though I wish they had some sort of burst send pricing or option) and is smooth enough. Calendars and the like aren't bad either, and there are plenty of generic online storage options. At the opposite end are those with thousands of dollars or more in purchases tied to the account, or massive use of other services. As of right now they seem really screwed.
As much as anything the sheer lazy shoddiness of this change is the irritating bit. I don't begrudge them a bit charging for a decent service, or cancelling offerings even. It might be dirt cheap but it's not free and they're offering some value. Ideally they'd have a basic paid tier for non-money making usage, and indeed that is missed in the brave new subscription world in general, but it is what it is. But it's just plain unprofessional not to even notify broad swaths of people, to leave open all sorts of questions about details, to not have any kind of purchase transfer for those who depended upon it, etc. The should be law mandating the ability to transfer purchases between accounts within the same service as a basic minimal floor, and that at least is not a unique Google problem in the slightest. Seems more the rule than the exception for digital software stores of all kinds. Going between services is reasonably more complicated, but within the same one shouldn't be impossible.
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I am looking on transferring:
* Google maps location history (have it there since 2009). * Google photos of all the family accounts + plus partner sharing. * Google drive * Gmail * Google extra storage (that I pay already for).
As far as I know, there are no way to migrate cleanly the data. Only crappy ways if possible at all.
Also, why the heck hasn't google solved the "GSuite users can't use this service" problem yet? I've been on GSuite since the beginning, and now I actively avoid google services because I'm sure they won't work with my google account.
I'll most likely end up paying the fee, but why can't they just be a little nicer about it? Google Homespaces would be awesome, parental controls, mailboxes, custom domains, shared calendars, and I'd probably pay a pretty penny for it too.
Come on...do better...
https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?passive=1209600&con...
URL #1: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?passive=1209600&con...
Redirecting to URL #2: https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&arti...
Redirecting to URL #3: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2855120?hl=en&product_co...
Bonus URL #4 also included in the query string: https://apps.google.com/supportwidget/articlehome?hl=en&arti...
And bonus URL #5: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2855120?hl=en&product_co...
Also, 2 different ways of URL encoding special characters, i.e. "=" is %3D and %253D (encoded twice).
If your account is foo@mydomain.com, but gmail doesn't handle your mail and you're unable to access admin.google.com and you signed up for your own account rather than having it created by an employer or educational institute, then you're probably fine. You have a regular consumer account, but not at the gmail domain.
If your account is foo@mydomain.com and gmail _does_ handle your mail, you are impacted by this. Or if you originally set it up as some form of gsuite or workspace or google apps for your domain account (you'll know if you did).
* Gmail for your Domain
* Google Apps for your Domain
* Google Apps Free Edition
* Google Apps (free tier)
* GSuite
* Google Workspace
It always seemed like GApps on a custom domain would be good for something. But whenever I looked none of the services were compelling. Other side of the lock in looking glass, I guess.
Given the dilemmas I'm seeing other people face (eg family got used to gmail on the domain, and either having to walk everyone through migration, or just give up and pay the Danegeld), I'm glad I dodged that bullet!
About the only Google service I rely on is Voice, which would be easy enough to move except I don't know any other VOIP providers that are as a good as being accepted for snake oil 2FA and the like. I think Google gets a pass due to Project Fi. Does anyone have any recommendations? The best option running seems to be getting a paygo SIM, pop it in a stationary cell modem, and use that for snake oil 2FA. but shrug
Once this happened to me, I had to re-register the expired domain.
It's been a good ride. I take I'll fork out the 5 EUR / month or so for the basic plan.
Still a bit meh.
It sounds like there is no migration path to keep these without paying the extortion... At the very least I've been unable to find anything about it.
I have fiber and cell service associated with this account. What happens to those?
But it's been obvious for awhile now - the old 'do no evil' Google is long gone. Long live profits and ads and screw everything else.
I wonder what happen to my account.
I'm not particularly optimistic about Google though, as they can charge for their services and continue the whole data-gathering game...
In addition does this mean @gmail.com users should consider whether or not they could be subject to the same unexpected alteration regarding their own accounts?
I also noticed it seems to include something equivalent to a standard zoom subscription so this whole thing might save me money!
PS A lot of the comparison tables etc are confusing and in past I noticed (I'm in UK) the offer details vary by country.
That said, I've been using https://mailinabox.email/ on a $2/mo VPS for about a year, for specific low volume e-mail, and I haven't had too much trouble.
Yes, of course. How embarrassing.
I already have a VPS for many years and it didn't change IP addresses ever. I need a simple way to make it my email server when I have to get away from Google.
You could move whatever's on your VPS now to a new one, and then put mail-in-a-box on the old one that's had the consistent IP?
Alternatively, you could set up inbound forwarding to a personal e-mail (most registrars include free e-mail forwarding IME -- if yours doesn't, transfer it over to Namecheap), and then use an SMTP service for outbound mail from your domain (you could use Mailgun, SMTP.com, and many others). All of your inbound mail will be free, and if you find that you need to respond with your domain, you'll be paying way less than $6/mo for your outgoing.
Same boat like everyone when it comes to the family usage.