The big difference between the dot-com bubble and the current cryptocurrency bubble is that there were lots of useful dot-coms which didn't make a profit while there are lots of profitable cryptocurrencies which aren't useful. That's because dot-coms put the use case first while cryptocurrency puts the monetisation first, leading to the monetisation of nothing and removing the incentive to actually build anything (whether useful or not). It remains to be seen whether any useful legitimate practical uses will come out of the cryptocurrency space, but it isn't looking promising after 13 years, while after that length of time the dot-com bubble had been and gone and recovered and led to mass adoption of lots of useful things we all use on a daily basis.
That's pretty cool.
Agree on the rest. It's overinvested.
Can anyone point to a practical way of moving money?
I meant in the context of international transfers between countries with different currencies which is one of the cited "success stories" for crypto. My research is that it is actually a pretty bad way for me to spend my money across boarders. I haven't seen a practical, affordable, way to transfer money via crypto that is better in any way than retail banking. I suspect that outside of Iran and Venezuela, crypto is pretty useless as an international commerce device.
Separately, if I send you some Bitcoin right now, the fees will be tiny, not sure how you're getting to 5-10%. Volatility is a real concern and you can easily move 5-10% because of that.
ETH is a different story.
> I think the one major difference between the last 10 years and the.com era was the lack of viable business models in that time
In quite a few cases, yes -- I agree. In many other cases, though, I think it was the sudden unavailability of capital that did in some companies that otherwise could have been viable. Given enough time and money, poster-child dot-com failures like Pets.com, WebVan, and Kozmo.com might have well become a Chewy, Instacart, and Doordash.
> Also, the interest rates within the last 10 years are going to be most similar to the ones that the FED is contemplating implementing over the next couple of years. The rates in the early 2000s were significantly higher in the 3-6% range.
Maybe. I for one wouldn't dare make any predictions as to what will happen to rates. I mean, in 1972, when the 10-year treasury was ~5%, no one -- no one -- even imagined that it would increase persistently for a decade until it ~16% in 1982. In 2000, when the 10-year rate was ~6%, no one -- no one -- even imagined it would decline persistently over the next two decades, hitting ~0% in 2020. Today, no one -- including me -- can imagine how or why rates would go all the way up to 6%, let alone 16%... but I'm sure the future will find a way to surprise us.
> Last, the third trend that's important is just the volume of dollars going into venture Capital which is 20 times what it was during that period of time
It depends on whether that large flow would be impacted in the face a persistent bear market -- e.g., could a large proportion of LPs default on capital calls due to losses in other markets? Keep in mind, VC funding declined by a factor of ~10x in 2000-2002. Could it decline by a factor of 10x this time around? I think that's unlikely, but we can't rule it out simply because the amounts are larger.
To be fair this still remains to be seen for most? public tech companies. It’s easy to be unprofitable and just say you’re following the Amazon model. But can Uber or AirBnb actually run a business that increases their net profit YoY sustainably? I think that remains to be seen. The super easy money in both private and public markets for over a decade has kicked up this fog so that it’s hard to make out what is going on. It could be that many are just as sustainable in a tight market as they would’ve been in 1999
So let's consider the more reasonable interpretation of "viable business models" as whether Uber or AirBnB can be sustainably profitable at a level that justifies their current market cap (and thus stock price.) Uber Cab is US$73B, AirBnB is US$100B, and justifying those at a P/E of 20 would require respectively US$3.5B and US$5.0B per year of profits, which are US$0.50 and US$0.75 per person per year, at the current population.
They're both effectively marketplaces making a living by skimming a commission off the earnings of actual service providers, who are providing respectively transportation and lodging. Such commissions are usually in the 0.5%-50% range depending on the market power of the marketplace and the kinds of risks involved. (Consulting agencies commonly suck off 50%, for example, in part because they don't get paid at all if the client is sufficiently unhappy.) Suppose they're 0.5%. Then to justify Uber's market cap, the annual transportation budget per person needs to be at least US$100, and the annual lodging budget per person needs to be at least US$150.
These seem like very plausible numbers to me, even a bit low. For example, right now Uber's commission is 20%, 40 times higher than the 0.5% I'm using above, and pre-covid the US hotel/motel industry was about US$220 billion for a country of only 330 million people, which is US$666 per person, a beastly number that is four times higher than the US$150 I computed above. So I think the market is pricing in a fairly large risk that Uber or AirBnB will just blow up and be worth $0 in a few years.
But I guess you see it very differently. What's your analysis? What am I missing?
Airbnb only reported positive earnings in the last quarter (which is great, hope they continue the trend), but I reckon a lot of "never made money" tech companies are going to continue to see their valuations sinking.
But I think the major threat to their business is not competition from the old guard with their trillion-dollar yearly revenues; they'll eat those guys' lunch, no problem. The real risk is that they'll be banned, like they are in New York, or soft-banned to favor local startups, like they are in China.
This is also ignoring potential for expansion into other markets. For example, Uber's model might be useful for trucking services. You bought some used furniture, you want a truck to come and bring it to your house. You're a plumber, you need a water heater transported from the warehouse right away for an emergency job. Open the app.
Uber has a large number of drivers connected to them, why not go into competition with UPS and FedEx?
Maybe things like that succeed, maybe they don't. But if they do they make a lot more money, and the possibility that they do makes the company more valuable.
Today’s world depends on tech to an incredibly high (and increasing) extent. Eventually that will be reflected in market valuations.
The venture capital industry today has a much more mature and robust structure than even 5 years ago: the structure of the funds, the fund commitments, the size of the funds and the management companies. They are much more resilient to market moves than in 2000.