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What are solid european alternatives?

Nextcloud would be a solid European alternative for office365. It's a file sync, groupware, office and xhat solution all in one. It's open source, self hostable and has enterprise support.

Disclaimer: I work at Nextcloud so I'm a bit biased

Its not a managed service so its not a direct alternative.

Yes it is, but you have to pay for it https://nextcloud.com/trial/

It sounds pretty hostile to end users:

Please do not email us from private mail addresses like gmail, gmx and the like. We only provide a trial to businesses > 50 employees. As a small business or private user, we recommend you simply try our demo or talk to one of our partners.

There are managed hosts serving NextCloud though

There's [lots of options](https://nextcloud.com/partners/) for using Nextcloud as a managed service.

MS is completely entrenched in so many EU companies that this will never happen.

You can't even get people that need a simple word processor or spreadsheet to use LibreOffice.

MS will probably make a EU cloud product like they've done for a bunch of other countries and govt entities.

The US-style "depending on cloud services for everything" is generally frowned upon in the companies i work with (germany). I see much self-hosting.

For servers, there is countless providers. Not nearly as big as the hyperscalers, but certainly sufficient.

Netcup, xTom, Hetzner, OVH, Scaleway just off the top of my head

https://www.onlyoffice.com/saas.aspx - very decent compatibility with Office and speed; is a European company; much of the functionality is open source.

They are using Google Analytics and Tag Manager.

Co-locate run your own hardware, Hetzner, Exoscale etc. There are many alternatives just not as large as Amazon. Many ISPs also offer DDoS protection.

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