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I must admit, this is pretty funny... there is "ublock" which users are tricked into installing (instead of the real ublock origin), which uses their "acceptable ads"
and people have said that their business model is based on extorting ad companies to pay them to not block their ads
Historically, it always seemed like it was one company though as Adblock codebase has been based on Adblock plus codebase for years, and they both use Acceptable ads.
Edit to avoid confusion: Fake "uBlock" (not to be confused with uBlock Origin) is owned by AdBlock https://www.ublock.org/blog/an-update-on-ublock/
uBlock is a scam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin#uBlock https://ublock.org
µBlock/uBlock was the original, released in 2014 by Gorhill. In 2015, fed up with support request, he transferred the project to Chris Aljoudi. He then forked his own project, most likely due to a disagreement over donations, it became uBlock Origin. Eventually most people moved from uBlock to the better maintained uBlock Origin. Eyeo eventually bought uBlock and added their "acceptable ads" option.
So you can't say that uBlock is a fake, it is actually the original project. But the one made by the original author is uBlock Origin.
Yes it is confusing, but whatever, get uBlock Origin.
The essence of a project is not the location of its repo on GitHub, it's who worked on it since it was first created, i.e. the commit history. If you look at the commit history of "uBlock Origin", it goes back without interruption to June 23rd, 2014, back to when I created the repo.[1]
The claim that the current "uBlock" is the "official", "original" project is a marketing pitch by the people behind it, who I call out as purposefully deceitful.[2]
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i mean, it is. ABP is basically modern day protection racket
Inflamatory statements aside, and whether or not online advertising is acceptable in its current form, there is a need they are fulfilling. If people don't find ads to be hospitable to their user experience then people don't find ads to be hospitable to their user experience, period. You can argue why all you want, in the meantime, ABP is there to get rid of them for you.
They'll also mistakenly introduce bugs to destroy your on-site metrics if you don't pay up.
I'm going to need a citation for that. I don't use ABP for obvious reasons, but I don't really see them as a problem; they're effectively extorting money from advertising companies, which are absolute scum and deserve to lose any and all profits that they have made (not only for scummy business practices and an entire business model built around the worst kind of psychological manipulation and data mining, but actually convincing people that they are good for supporting a "free web" as if they are some charitable benefactors giving free money out of the good of their hearts). The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I haven't been able to suss out any way that they do any real harm to the end users, but if they do actually do harm to other ad blockers, that would be some actual harm, but I am having trouble finding any evidence of this anywhere.
There is a middle ground of people okay with advertising, but pissed off about the nightmare that is the present state of internet ads. I use uBlock. But I’d be okay with e.g. text ads that don’t track me.
By having ABP widely used a lawyer could make the argument, or a judge could infer that advertising is an acceptable behavior, but the use of ABP is just the users signaling to advertisers that ABP content is rather preferred method.
If everyone used uBlock Origin on the other hand, a compelling argument against the legitimacy of intrusive advertising becomes much more likely to be accepted in court, which is where it matters.
It's sad it's come to this, but with advertising and marketing as huge active lobbying groups, the courts are one of the more even battlefields we stand to even be able to win on.
> I'm going to need a citation for that.
I was mostly referring to the fact that they bought uBlock and made it use their “acceptable ads” program, which seems mainly like a move intended to weaken uBlock Origin, or at least leech off its reputation.
Honestly I don’t really know much about them, I just know that I’d much rather support uBlock Origin than this company.
Companies pay to get their ads categorized as acceptable if they meet the criteria for that. You can't just pay to get your ads to show up.
And within the browser extension, the user still has the option to block them anyway.
In this case they're a middle man between the abusers and the abused, so I think it's more like prostitution.
While I support this sentiment, a definition of "badly behaved ads" which is based on whether or not the advertiser paid money to some third party is just not a definition I can live with.
The word I think you're looking for is "canter," as in three main gaits of a horse being walk, trot, and canter, with some other ones like gallop, tolt, and more obscure ones. They are defined by the number of beats in the gait. The walk has 4, trot 2, canter 3, and gallop is also 4.
But to extend the dressage metaphors, a Gish Piaffe would be extravagent and showy movement that goes nowhere and stays in one spot, a Gish Passage would be where the extravagent movement is independent of the direction, etc.
Dressage means "to straighten," or "to educate," so one works on the dressage of the horse, and dressage riding is riding with that intent. What people do in the olympics is ride, and it is the overall dressage of the horse that is what is judged. It's one of the few remaining sports in the olympics that is not merely a game. Source: am dressage bro. :)
Seems pretty much in line with food labeled as "organic" or "fair trade". You can say you meet the requirements, but if you want to advertise it somebody else certifies it.
But the problem is, that is very poorly enforced in practice. Whenever I use ABP, I see ads breaking the standard everywhere. To the point where I can only assume the Acceptable Ads definition is just a deflection.
And of course, there's the whole "you need to pay to get on the list" which creates some very awful incentives.
But ... the ad industry would never accept a static ad more akin to a billboard than a tracking device. Many times in the past malware has found its way into networks run by the more highly regarded ad systems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvertising
If a content publisher refuses to let people read articles without a subscription or with an ad blocker, I am ok with that. It is their choice.
Is JS synonymous with tracking? Why can't you just track server side? I don't see how removing JS from ads would prevent FB from targeting me on my FB feed.
The ads market is a very complex and competitive industry. This means that practically every display side provider has their own special "ad product" to differentiate themselves. Almost all of these require JavaScript to implement their key features.
In addition there could be 4 or even more parties involved in showing an ad (publisher, publisher's supply side provider, advertiser's display side provider, advertiser, plus miscellaneous middlemen). These different parties may not trust each other, so they currently use JavaScript to send (via `fetch`) themselves information about the auction to check up on each other.
The sad part is that you assume that modern day billboards aren't tracking you. All you need is a camera, a tiny computer and some AI. Once walked by a fully electronic billboard where the slideshow crashed, the log it displayed listed everything it could identify about people passing by, age, gender, height, hair color, emotional state, ... .
It was a great deal for everyone, but people who installed ABP.
I've seen websites ask me to disable my ad blocker when I only have Privacy Badger enabled (on top of Firefox's built-in behaviour).
It might exploit a buffer overflow or it might exploit a distractable human, but it's malware just the same.
Because you can't choose what's acceptable, they do.
You won't decide the topic, format, quantity, density, duration, nature or interruption type. Which is different for you, me, or your children.
What's more, ads are not made for your benefit, ever, but to the benefit of the advertiser which may (but statistically more likely may not) align with yours.
And also because:
- the incentive gets twisted, which means you can't trust ublock on the long run.
- unkown unknowns means down the road, some ads will manage to track you or serve malicious content despite ublock filtering.
- ads paid content is a terrible business model which take a price people are not wired to assess nor realize they pay for something they disguise as free yet has an impact on the entire society. Not a great thing to encourage.
And I say all that as someone who gets revenue from ads.
Why is this? Would you also say this for other long running open source projects which have never breach the trust of their users?
The repo was handed in good faith, not for the sake of financial gains. It turned out to be a mistake, from which I learned. That was now nearly seven years ago. If the take away from that event after years of never breaching user trust is that "uBlock Origin can't be trusted in the long run", that's pretty harsh.
I think the story of how uBlock was transfered and then managed in a way that was not what you wished is pretty well known, and I think most people know that you forked back the project to restore that trust, and they appreciate the work you're doing for the community. At least I know I do, so let me take this opportunity to say thank you.
Based on his past actions, I feel comfortable trusting and using uBO until he decides he's done.
As far as uBlock Origin goes, it's one of the extensions I trust the most.
Not exactly the acceptable ads must conform to the standard that is defined by the acceptable ads Committee which consists of publishers users, and distribution. Something like that.
That seems like just an implementation detail. If users are able to choose/vote what is "acceptable" that seems like a concept worth trying.
[0] pop up blockers, originally
They can all pay the consequences now of me blocking them.
If they had been well-behaved and stuck to inline ads with no cookies, I would have left them there.
If you live in the city, advertisers manipulate you every waking minute of your day, bombarding you from billboards, on tv, on the internet, and are constantly shoving their disgusting garbage in front of your eyes in new ways; at petrol pumps, on your tv menu, right in front of you on a taxi cab.
Worse still, the more you pay to avoid this trash, the more you become attractive to them as someone with money to spend. I can't remove the ads as a walk about the city, but for damn sure I'll remove them wherever I can in my home. Pi hole, ublock origin, sponsor block etc, all running to keep this crap out of my life. If people wont pay money for what creators are making, and they can't provide it for free, I'm fine with it going away. It probably wasn't worthwhile to begin with - only "addictive".
Ads are a scourge and make me sick. There are no "acceptable ads".
I REALLY do not want to pay for a bunch of random services with my tax dollars. In your example, once I lose interest in youtube (or peertube in this case) I would still be paying for other people to use it and I get no benefit.
Right now, when I lose interest in Facebook (as I did) I just move on to the next service, it is unbelievably friction free. I just type a few letters in a URL.
Facebook dislodged Myspace, Tiktok is competing with Facebook, Discord is a brand new social media product. Anyone is totally free to create a subscription service or alternative (see DuckDuckGo). I don't understand the monopoly case.
>Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.
Also, the fact that they are taking money to get on the 'acceptable ads' list looks a little shady. It could be (let's be generous) misinterpreted as a third party just elbowing in to get a cut of the transaction, like some kind of protection racket. I'd worry this sort of thing might draw unwanted attention in some jurisdictions, even if it really isn't warranted.
Why bother going with the solution that is both technically and ethically more complicated? Just do the dumb thing and block everything.
BUT as the definition of acceptable is not in the hands of the accepting receiver but in the hands of the sender the word acceptable is used in a twisted manner. You are told it is acceptable but their behavior will be driven by forces yielding anything but acceptable.
Ignore what they say - their behavior matters and incentives are stacked against your interests with no effective limits.
I'm still dubious the city skylines can be copyrighted - NYC believes they own the copyright on the city's skyline. I'm also dubious that the NYC Subway can copyright the route indicators (letters in circles).
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/07/the-por...
http://www.fordhamiplj.org/2010/01/07/mta-symbols-intellectu...
They're a corporation who paid a lot of money for the rights to it, how is is different than Walmart or Netflix going after companies for using their fonts?
Judging from the examples on one of the MTA's branding pages[1], there doesn't seem to be anything particularly unique about the font they're using. They don't even mention it by name. Other sources claim the official signage is a mix of Helvetica and Akzidenz Grotesk. In any case, fontface designs are not copyrightable in the US. Fonts can be (as programs/data) but that isn't really relevant here.
[0] http://www.fordhamiplj.org/2010/01/07/mta-symbols-intellectu...
[1] http://web.mta.info/developers/resources/line_colors.htm
Right under the ad was a gigantic message that said “contact-less trademark owned by and used with permission of EMVCo, LLC”
I can imagine the airline’s surprise if they have originally printed ads without this.
At least movies cost millions of dollars and presumably we as a society will get more books if authors don't also have to make french fries. What protection do fonts need?
I've read several articles bloviating about this or that font, describing it like a wine taster would write about a wine, and would just come away rolling my eyes.
You need to draw every letter in uppercase and lowercase, and every number and symbol. You need to make sure each character is visually consistent with and works well alongside every other character.
Then you need to repeat the above for every weight your font supports. (Bold, semibold, light, heavy, etc.)
Then you need to repeat all of the above for italics.
Then you need to kern the font. This means determining how much space to leave between every possible combination of two characters in your font.
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> And people have been creating fonts for 500 years. What's the need to create more?
That's a bit like saying "People have been writing books for 500 years. What's the need to create more?"
We've only been displaying fonts on LCD screens for ~30 years, and fonts that were designed for print don't look as good on screen (and vise versa). Even fonts that were designed for low-res LCD screens often don't look as good on newer high-resolution ones.
How does Eyeo make money?
They charge advertisers to be part of their 'acceptable ads' scheme that then allows these ads to be shown to users of their ad blocking products (ADP, Adblock Plus, Ublock).
As one of the largest ad blockers around they also try and extinguish any potential competition before it has a chance to establish itself.
When I initially released my ad blocker for the iPhone and Mac – Magic Lasso Adblock (https://www.magiclasso.co/) they attempted to stop its distribution through the Apple App Stores.
They sent legal threats directly to myself and then to Apple claiming that they own the term 'adblock' and demanded that my product stop using that term in any marketing or App Store keywords. This went on for months with them constantly pushing less and less plausible evidence for their ownership of the term.
I eventually told their enforcement loonies to stop contacting me and provided evidence to Apple that their claims are baseless (which meant their claims directly to Apple could also be ignored). They eventually stopped but I can see how their tactics could discourage any new entrants in the space.
https://www.mobilegeeks.de/adblock-plus-undercover-einblicke...
That being said, it doesn't follow that it would make it illegal for any technology or any consumer to alter a website page appearance. You are free to modify copyrighted works as long as you don't distribute that work.
While in a browser the "reader mode" or an and blocker may reformat content and remove ads, etc, it's done strictly for the browser's user, the modified version is not distributed.
But e.g. Pocket allows to share a "pocketed" article with all the ads and most formatting removed; they even advertise some articles on their homepage. This may count as distribution of a derived work. They of course give the credits and a link to the original, but I wonder if some publishers might be unhappy enough to challenge this.
Even if you did… since when has distributing a used book with extra notes, highlighting, or even white-out in place been considered copyright infringement? You're selling an existing, authorized copy—even if it was later modified—not making a new one.
(I think most people would agree that the 9th Circuit's decision is wrong, though, but it remains binding precedent in that circuit.)
Would that not be legal, as long as my software doesn't contain pieces of the original book copied verbatim?
Same thing here, if the modifications were happening on the server side and then sent to your browser that's probably not legal
Note too that trademark law can still apply. So your Harry Potter can be in trouble even if the only thing that remains is the name and the universe. (You can do a Harry Potter as the horse in your western novel)
[1] See. e.g., https://grr.com/publications/copyright-myth-ten-percent-rule...
Publishing it, however, is where copyright law kicks in. Publishing is a specific right that you need to be granted by the rights holders.
I don't see how software running on a client's computer that changes rendering of copywritten work is the same thing as publication. Browsers, video players and Adobe's products all allow users to view and modify copyrighted works on their machines, and that isn't publication at all.
But ... that's what the browser itself does. We aren't shown raw HTML, we're shown a user-friendly rendering of that HTML.
By the way, Axel Springer SE, the "media" company suing, is investing heavily into the US market.
There are still only two legal entities involved - the operator of the web site, and the user displaying a page from the web site. What's the third entity that would redistribute a modified work to the user displaying a page from the web site?
That's...not quite right.
You are free to modify a legally owned physical copy of a copyrighted work (and to redistribute that modified copy), but you are not free to make a derivative work by copying-with-modifications, except (in the US) insofar as that falls within the bounds of fair use (and where it does, you can also distribute it.)
Well, no one is likely to know if you don't redistribute it, but legally, no, you may not:
17 USC § 106: “Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following: [...] (2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;”
i would assume that the purchase of the book includes with it a right to read it out loud in a private setting, such as home.
I guess it is a fuzzy line - what is the difference if i read it aloud in a very large auditorium that i own, vs publicly broadcasting it?
Bollocks. It's a data markup language.
I think the page owners tried to argue that the page presented to the viewer was a single creative work / piece of art and that the ad blockers where defacing/misrepresenting that piece of art . As I understand the court basically decided that the final composition of the page lacked an overreaching creative process required to qualify.
> The HTML on a page should be automatically copyrighted to the author already.
<html> . Take that internet I own you now.
Creating the derivative work in itself would indeed not be a problem but further distribution of that derived work would be a problem. Axel Springer seems to have been arguing that it is the extension developer that is responsible for "distributing" that modified work to the user.
The court seems to have decided that instead this falls under what in US law would probably be called fair use that happens after the user has received a copy of the content instead of a new content that you (using the extension) created. All very logical of course but the law is not always that logical.
Very bad actors in this space, and their motivation here in this suit is to continue their AdBlock racket of allowing ads to their users for those advertisers that pay.
> The 2021 copyright lawsuit was brought against eyeo by Axel Springer [... and] was a new challenge to a 2018 Federal Court case, also brought against eyeo by Axel Springer, which was previously decided in favor of eyeo.
However, if I buy a legal copy of the Hobbit and edit it using whiteout and pen that would be perfectly legal (as far as I understand). I could even sell my modified copy.
Isn't this basically what an in-browser ad filter does? Or is my understanding wrong here?
A court ruling in 2012 restored copyright to the work, which is super weird since there are a lot of unauthorized copies still floating around.
> J.R.R. Tolkien first tangled with copyright law in the mid-1960s when ACE Books discovered that the copyrights for The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit had not been properly secured in the United States by his American publisher. ACE Books opportunistically published unauthorized paperback editions of those books in the United States. Until that time Tolkien’s books had only been available in hardback. Tolkien and his publishers reacted quickly by publishing their own authorized paperback editions, but in order to secure copyright in the United States again Tolkien was forced to revise both stories (thus confusing the issue of what is canonical in Middle-earth for his readers).
> There remained a question over the status of the ACE Books edition until several years ago, when a long-running complaint by the Tolkien Estate was finally settled with payment to the author’s heirs. Until that time some people in the entertainment and publishing industry argued that there was still a copyright “hole” pertaining to Tolkien’s works in the United States.
Source: https://middle-earth.xenite.org/why-are-some-people-sued-ove...
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like in the US The Hobbit never formally was under copyright due to not fulfilling the requirements when published. It remained that way until 1996 when URAA made the UK copyright valid in the US. Golan v Holder then affirmed that public domain works could be copyrighted under those special circumstances.
All of these things are important and none translate into the book, or any other simple physical metaphor.
My summary answer would be that the status of ad blocking legally is deeply unclear if you really start analyzing it, in all sorts of ways, in ways that different legal jurisdictions will almost certainly rule differently on for all the different individual questions, and almost certainly with no coherence between the individual rulings.
I called this the "patch hole" in the law over 20 years ago, in analogy to the Unix patch tool, and I still don't think I've seen a legal system cleanly grapple with what it means to be able to distribute modifications on their own. It is a qualitatively different process and result than having to distribute modified versions directly. It rather directly faces a deontology vs. consequentialism question... if two different processes (distributing changed contents directly vs. distributing patches to an end user and providing combination software) produce the exact same end results, on what basis will the law decide that one is OK and the other is not, since allowing people to distribute change lists provides an effective 100% workaround to the existing illegality of distributing changed works?
I'm not trying to offer an answer here, I'm merely trying to establish that talking about "books" isn't going to give a good grasp on this situation. The metaphor simply doesn't work. It's far too simple to capture too many relevant issues.
Patching pirated work is still piracy, but patching work you have purchased legitimately (or were given by the copyright holder, such as a web page) is not piracy.
However, something that it's own generic work or not copyrightable (like a block list) would then not be considered a derivative work.
You're going about the question backwards.
If we were basing things on reasonable consequentialism, then downloading a modified version of something you already legally possess would not be a copyright violation.
That's a fair point but copyright law was designed with "books" in mind so everything is ultimately related to that. Computers have really put a wrench in what was otherwise a pretty simple system.
Could you? I don’t find that at all obvious.
What you can't do is sell the rights to the modified work, since they're in addition to the original work. When/if the copyright in the original expires, then you can (and you will have your own copyright in the modifications if they're substantial enough).
Crucially, you also can't make any copies of the modified work and sell or distribute them, so your derivative will be a legally-enforced one-off.
It doesn't mean that you can't profit from your modification of another's work (maybe someone will pay for your marginalia), but it does mean that you can't profit from the unauthorized duplication of another's work while their copyright subsists.
If you have a personal created copy of a copyrighted product which you do not have the rights to, you don't have a right to sell this copy right? (Specifically talking about the copy and not the modification)
You buy a physical book (also called "a copy of the book"). You don't make the copy, you buy it from a legitimate seller.
Then you can modify that physical book, and sell it again.
If you want to sell a second one of the work you made, you need to buy another physical book (another "copy of the Hobbit"), modify that physical object in the same way, and sell it again.
You would own the copyright to your changes, so no one else could modify "the Hobbit" the same way, and no one else could publish instructions on how to do the modifications yourself.
Reading the law, it's still not obvious to me that that would be legal to sell, and I kind of doubt there is any case law on this point.
You have the right to sell both, one as owner and one as owner and creator. But you only have the right to make reproductions of your own work, which means if you want to make more copies of the complete derivative, you have to buy new authorised copies of the original. You don't have the rights to make your own copies of the original to modify and sell.
But the copyright on derivative works is held jointly by both authors.
Do you have any citations of case law backing up your interpretation? I'd be really curious to see if a court has actually ruled on this.
As for the sale of the physical modified-but-uncopied original itself:
In the EU, this is permitted under the equivalent to the first sale doctrine[2, p880][3, footnote 7], which covers all IP, including trademarks and patents. There's now some weirdness around Brexit which is what document [3] is all about.
The case law actually goes both ways in the US because the concept of derivative work is not conclusively defined in statute:
* It's OK: Lee v. Deck the Walls, Inc. [4] aka Lee v. A.R.T. Co.
* It's not OK: Greenwich Workshop, Inc. v. Timber Creations, Inc. [5], and also Mirage Editions, Inc. v. Albuquerque A.R.T. Company
These cases are almost identical and one on each side even involves the same defendant, but have opposite conclusions. So as usual, the US gets weird and jurisdictional with it. So, indeed, my original comment is actually wrong in that US First Sale Doctrine isn't guaranteed to apply and mostly seems to depend on the circuit you get sued in. TIL.
There are additional rules if the original is limited edition or certain types of art (usually "visual" and "limited"):
* In the US, VARA means certain creators can, in some cases, sue for damages if you destroy or modify their work, even if you own it
* In the EU there's the Resale Rights Directive (which codifies what is often called droit de suite) which gives royalties of each sale to the artist (but this right cannot be transferred or inherited)
[1]: https://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/sme/en/documents/pdf/i...
[2]: https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...
[3]: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/default/files/brexit_files/i...
[4]: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/9...
[5]: https://casetext.com/case/greenwich-workshop-inc-v-timber-cr...
You are allowed to create a copy (and thus also in printed form) of copyrighted material, _only_ for private and personal use. i.e you _must_ recreate it yourself.
As for selling a modified version, if it isn't modified enough than you still infringe copyright of the original author. With "enough" being something that needs to be defended in court if challenged.
Hang on. Does "modified version" mean the same physical copy I bought and then modified, or a copy I made myself and then modified?
The way you worded that sounds like you're talking about both, but the former makes no sense. Why would it be a copyright violation to buy a book, white-out one sentence, and resell it? And elsjaako was definitely talking about the former.
I would be very interested to learn I was wrong about that.
Because of exhaustion of rights working on first sale of right to _make_ derivative copyright works not being exhausted on sale.
In USA under Fair Use you have pretty liberal rights compared to most other copyright regimes AFAICT. In the UK we don't have rights, not even under Fair Dealing, to modify works, never mind sell modified works (without permission of the copyright holder); they made an exception to allow caching to make web browsing lawful!
I can't buy your book, edit out part I don't like and resell it as your book, and I can't sell it as my book without your permission. Not even one copy. That's reasonable to me (unless there was a [implied] license for modifications to be made, say). I should of course be allowed to modify the physical copy I purchased as that's ordinary use and copyright shouldn't interfere with that.
Statutory damages.
Which highlights the essential flaw in allowing statutory damages.
Over-the-trope example: A wealthy old English aristocrat's head butler brings in his master's evening paper at the kitchen door. Then snips out any stories "which might disagree with master's digestion", before presenting the paper to the old blue blood.
IIRC, they lost the case but I do see the merits in their arguments.
Authors have "moral rights of integrity" over their work, which means you can't modify a work without permission of the author, even if you own it.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Moral_right_of_int...
I write a book about the suffering of a particular minority. The book sells internationally and earns awards. My name becomes recognised globally.
Someone buys many copies of the book, modifies them to say the opposite of my intended point, making me look like, say, a racist, and distributes it.
Now is it stupid?
My point is your name being attached to a particular piece of work means you're name is directly associated with that work and what it represents. Any changes to the work could alter the perception that others have of you, towards the negative, and you've done nothing wrong.
We've recently seen what happens in a post-truth society when someone says something (usually online) that's not true about another person and the negativity generated towards that person happens before the truth is revealed (and promptly ignored anyway.)
Do we really need more of that?
It's a DVD player with a service that downloads timecodes to skip all the naughty bits in movies that you play on it.
> More dangerous still, any developer who writes code for an offending browser feature could be liable to pay damages
If you take this one step further, any browser vendor would be liable for changes to their product if that change broke a person's site, i.e. deprecation of any features. The mind boggles at how horrific it could've been for the future of the web.
The claims were 1) that HTML of a page is copyrighted 2) so therefore browser extensions that modify it are a problem
If I read this correctly, the court curbstomped 2) because thats silly while not needing to address 1) because thats true but has nothing to do with what a browser extension does.
Couldn't this had been dismissed since there is nothing new at all? was there really ever a risk of anything different occurring? what a waste of time
Its copyright laws are in the Gesetz über Urheberrecht und verwandte Schutzrechte. It just doesn't call them that. The main difference I believe is that they're not totally transferable and it doesn't have the work for hire doctrine, but it gives the author of a work the exclusive right to reproduce that work, i.e., the right to copy it and to delegate that right.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your statement, but Germany very much has a legal concept like "public domain", that of Gemeinfreiheit [0] which also includes;
"Werke, die vom Schöpfer in die Gemeinfreiheit entlassen wurden."
What's the big difference to "public domain" I'm missing here?
So the current legal opinion is that you cannot 'give' your work to public domain. Minority opinion believes you can.
So for your work to enter public domain, you just have to pass away and wait 70 years (or whatever the specific requirement was).
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Licensing_and_Law/public-domain.ht...
On a more meta note, I'm noticing a pattern where people figure that jurisdictional or cultural differences constitute such a dramatic difference that "insert crazy copyright law here" is just assumed to not apply in their local jurisdiction, or that it will never apply to them. It will. There might be cases where you do have cultural differences, but copyright isn't one of them. Copyright enjoys deep international consensus on almost every issue, and the only practical differences between jurisdictions are things like:
- Should copyright terms be long (life+50), extra-long (life+70), or practically forever (up to life+100)?
- Should authors be allowed to unwind licensing agreements and copyright transfers?
- Can an author intentionally destroy their own copyright interest in a work? Or does "public domain" only include works whose copyright has naturally expired?
- Do authors enjoy moral rights to their work? If so, can those rights be waived or not?
- Do online services need to proactively filter content in order to avoid copyright liability, or is merely offering no-questions-asked takedowns to copyright owners enough?
- Do you need to register your copyright in order to sue?
Y'know, things "on the margins" of copyright.
It's important not to understate how ridiculously radical the stereotypical hacker position on copyright is. Even avowed Communists were willing to continue a watered-down copyright regime[0] despite having a legal system that specifically considered profit to be a form of exploitation and regularly charged people with things like "social parasitism". The kinds of people here who would like to see copyright abolished or reformed into oblivion are, in one sense at least, "to the left[1] of Soviet Russia". Everywhere else, people hold copyright as a base assumption. This includes "America", "the Anglosphere", "the West", and any other division you want to talk about to make your point that you don't think the law applies when it does.
[0] Strictly speaking, I've been told by actual Russian emigrants who lived under Soviet rule that copyright wasn't a thing people worried about until the fall of Communism. However, this is also concomitant with copyright interests in capitalist countries being increasingly worried about consumer-level copyright infringement. What I do know is that the laws on the books did exist, but I suspect they were only used against state-owned publishing enterprises, as that would fit in with the general ideas behind Socialist law better.
The Soviets were actually worried about the masses copying music before the RIAA was. However, this had less to do with copyright and more to do with censorship: before the 1970s importing western music was hella illegal. There actually were bootleg music copying rings at that time; they'd copy the music onto makeshift vinyl records made out of old X-ray prints.
[1] Insamuch as "left" without additional qualifiers is even a meaningful term at that point.
But the 2 following from that is bit weird. I couldn't take magazine cut it up and make something new? Or a book? Or maybe I have ebook reader and I couldn't change the font and size?
In my opinion its quite simple:
The Landgericht Hamburg is known for its incredible ineptitude and a tendency to decide in favor of the likes of Springer and other internet/tech adverse entities.
I assume, Springer which a massive publisher of Fox News style garbage like Bild (colloquially known as Blöd), tried to capitalize on that ineptitude.
So it is quite remarkable that Springer failed.
Definitely a stretch attempt at interpretation but not surprising and not at all unreasonable.
Your analogy isn't fully sane - You bought the book you're scribbling in, and have the right to deface that copy as you please, and even resell that copy. You may not reprint it with a word whited out and offer it for reproduction or distribution as your own.
This side of copyright law is very well established and not ambiguous.
Perhaps it would have limited libraries from re-lending books that a patron scribbled on. But not automatically, it would require a second court case.
What Axel Springer was trying to do is equivalent to telling a magazine subscriber they can't cut a couch out of an interior design magazine and paste it on a poster board with the wallpaper from another magazine to plan their own room. That's not how copyright works. My copy is my copy.
>Springer isnt Springer. Every chessgame has two knights (Springer) which are easy to mix up. In publishing there are also two Springer, who dont share anything but the word Springer, but are often mixed up as a result.
>... >Between the two publishers no family or economic ties exist.
edit: Obviously in the context of the Springer blockade by the student movement. The advertisement in question is from the Konkret issue number 6 of 1968 page 35 Bad translation obviously.
https://torrentfreak.com/adblocking-does-not-constitute-copy...
which made it near the top of Reddit r/news.
Because Disney got involved with VidAngel, and Disney always wins.
The problem is that there's basically no way to stream arbitrary video content you own in a way that VidAngel can access it client side for filtering. This is because the content owners make deals such that the content is only able to legally be streamed by certain vendors (Netflix, Amazon, or other) and those vendors can put it in their ToS that you aren't allowed to modify the stream in any way, etc. VidAngel tried to get around it by streaming ripped DVDs and got nailed by Disney. They might have been able to last longer had they not gotten greedy with the dubious "sellback" program that allowed you to remotely buy a DVD and then remotely sell it back after viewing it.
The only way I see viable "Family Home Movie Act" style video filtering is if you build an open source DB of video metadata and use that in conjunction with a VLC plugin or something. Then you are responsible for obtaining your own video content, which you can edit on the fly with the VLC plugin + open source metadata DB.
[1]https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/landgericht-hamburg-uebe...
> The final 2021 Hamburg court decision, as successfully defended by eyeo, establishes that there is a limit to copyright after which the website author can no longer assert any right of retention. This limit boundary exists between the code provision level and the code execution level.
The article doesn't go into much detail beyond this, sadly.
It's a bit odd to me that they focus so much on HTML. Presumably they would apply similar logic to JavaScript and CSS, but they didn't mention them.
Quick Summary from the Heise article: Axel Springer tried to claim that the website itself is a copyrighted work and therefore an adblocker would not be allowed to modify it. However the court decided:
1) Removing elements (ads) from being displayed does not modify the originally transferred HTML, but only the data structures as generated by the browser, which is allowed to be modified by the user. Otherwise using a browser without images would also be in breach of copyright.
2) The website in itself is not a copyrighted work, as there's no original creative effort involved in generating the HTML.
[0] (in German) https://www.heise.de/news/Landgericht-Hamburg-Adblocker-vers...
> it's not copyright infringement to hit F12 and edit a paragraph. You're not distributing a derivative copy. You're just modifying the reproduction you were implicitly licensed by the web server delivering it to you.
In particular, my understanding (IANAL) is that modifying a copyrighted work, _even without distribution_, is still an infringement. At least, that's the way the Copyright Alliance frames it[0]. I think this has no practical effect because it's unenforceable (how can you detect the derivative work if it wasn't distributed?) But it does open the door to the related question: what if I distribute a program that modifies copyrighted works for others?
This case tested that in Germany, but it seems to be far-from-straightforward based on my 5 minutes of searching around about it. Most copyright sites don't deal with this case at all (copyright.gov, harvard.edu, etc.) but I did find a related question[1] on Quora that seems to have thoughtful answers, but it's hard for me to read through them and feel like I really understand the risks.
[0]: https://copyrightalliance.org/faqs/what-rights-copyright-own... [1]: https://www.quora.com/Is-distributing-a-file-that-modifies-a...
The most relevant case I know of is Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of Am., Inc., 964 F.2d 965 (9th Cir. 1992). Nintendo sued sued the maker of Game Genie for contributing to infringement by letting people essentially edit their games in memory. The court said that just being in memory isn't a fixed medium for it to count as a derivative work, saying that editing something in memory was akin to shining a kaleidoscope on a painting and therefore not infringment. However, I think this requirement of a derivative being "concrete" is something the California judges largely just made up.
But even if it was infringement, the court still said it was fair use because it was for a non-commercial purpose and couldn't have any negative effects on game sales, the 1st and 4th factors involved in fair use under 17 USC § 107.
That would be my guess without having read the decision.
Also, no derivative work because there is no work that is published. You are always free to modify copyright protected work, publishing it is the problem. It seems like this would have been a second hurdle for Springer, but they got stopped before this important fact even came up.
Utter defeat for the evil ones.
As for the actual content of the article, I'm happy that the court recognised the technical reality of the case.
I can't for the life of me figure out why web devs think they need to re-implement smooth scrolling. Web browsers already do it out of the box, and trying to re-implement it never works in all browsers.
The browser could be told not to render anything is the signature does not match the content.
This could easily be promoted as a safety feature, you only run the code the web server gives you, not something that has been exposed to a man in the middle attack several times over.
Presumably if they even added a layer of encryption modifying would run into problems with DMCA?
This already exists, it is called https. The s in https stands for security, i.e. encryption and signing.
> The browser could be told not to render anything is the signature does not match the content.
The problem with this statement is that adblockers are part of "The browser". So the browser/the adblocker coud still choose to render something with no signature. Also, what does "rendering" mean? An adblocker changes what "rendering" means: For example, if the html includes the line <img src="https://www.qries.com/images/banner_logo.png" alt="Qries" width="200" height="90"> then the browser will usually request banner_logo.png and show that here. But the browser could also choose not to do that. If qries.com would be in the blocklist of your adblocker, your browser would choose not to send that request and not to show that image.
If you download malware, https ensures that it gets to you in one piece. (or anything else you wish to receive)
What I meant is that once the content has been delivered to the browser, it will not be displayed unless the integrity of the payload is ensured.
A dumb example, because I am not creative tonight.
You download a book, Neuromancer by Gibson. The book is stored in an encrypted zip file.
The zip file is delivered to you via https. You can't read the book unless you know what the key is. If the zip file has been altered post download, it probably will not open even if you know the correct key.
On the web one could argue that if such a mechanism was possible, then it would "protect" people.
Let's say Bob is doing his weekly online banking and crypto investing. Bob isn't that good with computers. Malware is everywhere, maybe someone has been able to sneak an extension into Bobs Chrome browser and it modified the content so he transfers his crypto to the extension authors account.
If the page was unable to be displayed less its integrity was ensured this would save Bob money.
Yes I agree that as the web exist today with an unholy smear of html,css, JavaScript, Pictures, links, cookies etc it would be difficult to do.
But we can go beyond what we have now.
Imagine if someone has slid a nefarious extension into your browser. it can change anything it wants as things sit now.
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How about using Edbrowse or Lynx?
The issue is whether this implies it should be consumed in a certain way (ie rendered by a certain browser), which obviously should be a no. And the other issue is whether a plugin or "browser" that modifies it (in the client) should be considered to be publishing a modified version. That should obviously also be a no.
From the article it is not clear if any of those concerns have even been addressed properly.
Just like DRM, DCMA and many other total nonsense systems, they just need to "appear" like something is bad before Google/Firefox end all extensions entirely.
What is the defense for this?
Any other independent source?
Springer Press, perhaps best described as the german equivalent of fox news, chose hamburg specifically for their lawsuit assuming the judges there would follow their usual retarded interpretation of the law. To have your arguments be bad and stupid enough to lose there is astounding.
Genuinely curious because most Germans I've met don't particularly love Berlin at all, either unless they live there. Maybe you are right, and they are just envious though .
Could be.
> the same as other continental law systems, doesn't know anything about precedents,
That's a rather strong and wide ranging claim that seems eadily refuted.
The doctrine of precedent exists in Norwegian law, see https://www.scandinavianlaw.se/pdf/39-14.pdf
Or were you being ultra-traditional and treating Scandinavia as separate from Europe?