yay! incoherent ruby stuff! heheh i look to a language to teach me about other languages, i don't know if ruby would do that for me.... i'm probably wrong, and it does get the job done, but i've a lot of ruby people ask me how to do some custom header thing or some other gloves-off task, and i dunno what to tell them since java, python, .net, and everything all have classes that make this a snap, but rails stuff hides this real deep? or makes it hard for moderate programmers to find? i'm just curious, sorry for flame bait ;p