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Trudeau Plays Dangerous Game Demanding U.S. Truckers Have Shots

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Per WSJ, US does the same thing Jan 22. Both following an announcement of doing so in early Dec 2021. Funny how each side never/rarely mentions the other...

Weren’t OSHA mandates killed by the Supreme Court?

It's not an OSHA mandate.

The American Trucking Associations (ATA) led the fight against the OSHA vaccine mandate:

ATA-Led Coalition Sues to Block Federal Vaccine Mandate[0]

ATA Hails Supreme Court’s Rejection of OSHA Vaccine-or-Test Mandate[1]

Supreme Court Stays OSHA Vaccine-or-Test Mandate[2]: "American Trucking Associations President and CEO Chris Spear issued a statement calling it 'a tremendous victory.' ... 'Thanks to this ruling, our industry will continue to deliver critical goods, as our nation recovers from the pandemic and we move our economy forward.'"

Prior to that victory, they had been pushing for an industry exemption[3]: "[W]e formally requested that the Biden Administration exempt professional truck drivers from the mandate"

[0] https://www.ttnews.com/articles/ata-led-coalition-sues-block...

[1] https://www.trucking.org/news-insights/ata-hails-supreme-cou...

[2] https://www.truckinginfo.com/10159451/supreme-court-stays-os...

[3] https://www.trucking.org/vaccinemandate

I believe it, but this isn't an OSHA matter, this is a border policy.

My apologies; I had misunderstood the earlier comment to mean that the US would be imposing a vaccine mandate on US truckers within the US.

> Per WSJ, US does the same thing Jan 22

Do you have that link please? Could not find it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/truckers-fret-over-pending-covi...

Thank you very much. I had mistaken the GP comment to mean US truckers would be subject to the vaccine mandate within the US. Now I understand that the US is imposing a vaccine mandate on Canadian truckers entering the US as of January 22nd. Policy-makers realize the incredible burden that the vaccine mandate would create internally; perhaps a cross-border trade slowdown is not significant enough to warrant reciprocity in their minds?

No, policy makers tried to make the vaccine mandate internally, and the Supreme Court blocked it.

This irritates me quite a bit. This is not the first time the U.S. government has gone "Well, fine. If I can't get away with violating my own Constitution, I'll just use a neighbor/Ally to do it for me, and get what I wanted anyway, except now it's just called Diplomacy!

The Supreme Court had no problem restricting womens healthcare, despite those rights being determined to be constitutionally protected.

The current SC does not care about the constitution unless it happens to align with their beliefs.

It says so in the article, though.

> Shipping will get disrupted in both directions, as the U.S. is the set to impose its own vaccine mandate on foreign travelers on Jan. 22.

This article mentions it too. No need to switch to a different billionaire to get this info.

As the article mentions the mandate is being put in place by the US as well. One major difference, that worries me as a Canadian … 20% of the food Canadians buy in foodservice and retail is imported from the US.

Disruption in the supply chain is mildly inconvenient when your Amazon packages show up a few days late (or your oil, or lumber). It is a much larger concern when the grocery stores are half stocked (which they have been at times in Canada even before these mandates were put in place).

I’m not sure if Canadian’s realize this or not, but we’re not growing strawberries and oranges here this time of year :(

Gee, thanks Trudeau I can't wait to pay more money for goods and services.

You haven't noticed it already?

Err, more more then?

This was announced in November, and the US is applying the same border policy on Jan 22nd on their end as well.

I read it as "vodka shots". Which seemed odd, but anyway dangerous enough.

A shot or two shouldn’t put them over the legal limit, right? Something like 86% of US truck drivers are obese, so they might even be able to handle a third shot.

I think that Countries are having a tough time keeping up with the Pandemic. An Omicron infection seems to offer better protection than vaccination at this point. I think if they were being honest, antibody tests would be more valuable than vaccination status. I say this as someone that is both vaccinated and boosted.

The vaccine might not produce antibodies so thay won't allow antibody testing (or the antibodies could disappear too quickly compared to natural immunity).

I think antibody testing might have been a good solution for those hesitant to inject a vaccine (because of no data for long term effects/ vaccine technology) but that would offer a way out for those that to not wish to vaccinate and that is also not allowed.

Oh boo hoo. People who want to actually do business with Canada will simply select vaccinated drivers; the unvaccinated can continue to deliver domestically.

An idiotic article characteristic of the “business press”

It will never stop annoying me that US citizens are always ready to state that non-US citizens should have fewer rights.

The US already has vaccination requirements, finger print and photo biometric requirements, and a stated belief that if you're a non-us citizen various parts of the constitution don't apply to you.

But if another country ever does something similar it becomes an attack on freedom.

Seriously, if you want to be an idiot and ignore basic science, then you do you. Just don't be a plague rat.

If it's any comfort, there are those of us quite miffed by the same thing. We don't plaster it all over the walls, though increasingly I'm wondering if not doing so is an enabling factor.

Now, now, settle down. Don't mention rats around the Albertan's... <Shifts nervously>

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