Edit: I would like to hear other people's experiences if they are willing to post them.
However, if it is happening, we will surely see it in the data. Australia is almost fully vaccinated (but also more recently vaccinated than say the US) so maybe what you’re saying is still coming, but I think it is important to remain skeptical of large numbers of vaccine injured until there is reasonably robust data
I'm not making that claim. I'm only providing an anecdote about my local health service and that is what I have been told.
> However, if it is happening, we will surely see it in the data.
I guess it will take time since these conditions can take time to manifest or be diagnosed. I really hope it proves to be a rare occurrence.
I am not generalising, just providing a single data point about my local health service which is very relevant to my treatment. Even if it an outlier or does not match your colleagues experiences it does not make it less true for me.
I recommend reading the top comment by walterbell. Not everything is an attack on medicine/science. While it's important to keep discussions honest/scientifically accurate, it's also important to show some empathy and realise not everything is a debate or attack.
The problem with anecdote, whichever way you cut it, particularly in a charged debate like this, is that they get picked up and snowball just like the election being stolen. People believe them, even if there is no data. Now we can’t wait until the data is in in every circumstance particularly in a public health crisis. So it’s appropriate to try and inform, listen to the stories, and do the studies, and also recognise that when you try and give some new medication to billions of people there’s bound to be some blowback. But how much? To what degree? And are we communicating the issues in a truthful, timely and non-alarmist manner?
The way the public conversation has unfolded in this crisis has been extremely disappointing to say the least and I understand your position. All the misinformation, conspiracy theories and politicising has made any real conversation impossible. Anything can and will be used to undermine confidence in vaccines. Unfortunately that means genuine issues get bundled in with the untrue in most peoples minds in my experience at least. I really don't envy anyone in the medical field at the moment when facts are twisted/discarded and people are dying as a result.
Rationalize all you want, you just stated that you don't like this information. Sometimes words reveal ourselves.
What I think is occurring, at least in the case of myo/pericarditis, is that nobody reports cases unless the outcome is really bad. GPs do not habitually report to the TGA, and most specialists don’t either. So the official numbers are really only those who went to hospital and it was bad enough that someone bothered to fill out the TGA form.
Thats only assuming you have proper data collection and reporting in place. The current systems to do so are laughable.
Oct 2021, https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/covid-vaccine-injur...
> More than 1,300 COVID vaccine-related injury claims are now pending before an obscure government tribunal ... Lawyers tell me the vaccine is so new that there’s virtually no definitive research on injury causation to cite ... In the meantime, people like McFadden face a strict one-year deadline from the date of vaccination to file a claim with the CICP.
2021 news reports on heart issues in athletes (missing baseline numbers for prior years): https://airtable.com/shrbaT4x8LG8EbvVG/tbl7xKsSUIOPAa7Mx
Note that everyone in both families are vaccinated, boosted etc and it has not changed her opinion on vaccination.
I wonder if perhaps it's the global situation of the last 2 years that's causing issues rather than the vaccine
It's been a real struggle for lots of people, mental health wise, and given the US health system, I expect it's difficult to get support.
Anyway, I hope things improve whether it's a "vaccine injury" or something else