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No mention of Taurine and how the older you get the more you need to consume and the longer you can sleep for.

Take it right before you go to bed to see the best results, if taken during the day, you'll be hauling rear-end.

Word of warning, you will probably sleep through man made noises, like fire alarms & vehicles, natural sounds like dogs barking, people talking things like that should still wake you up though, so maybe choose a natural alarm clock sound.

Creatine may also play a role in increasing sleep especially if stressed, but little research into that side of things, what some would still consider anecdotal.

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> No mention of Taurine and how the older you get the more you need to consume and the longer you can sleep for.

I was curious about this claim so I tried researching and couldn't find anything. Everybody just seems to look to the same study of Taurine that was done in fruit flies. I didn't see any human studies, let alone interventional studies. Even the idea that you need to consume it didn't pan out -- your body can synthesize it from a couple amino acids and B6. Do you have a source?

Your body can synthesise a lot of things, which is why they are often considered non essential, glycine being one of them.

Here's a study, not read this one before, but its not hard to find https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4115565/ "The pineal hormone melatonin was also measured in the present and previous study (11), with significantly increased plasma concentrations being observed during sleep deprivation. Increased tryptophan and taurine could explain the increased melatonin levels, as taurine has been shown to increase pineal melatonin by stimulating the activity of its rate limiting biosynthetic enzyme, N-acetyltransferase (42). "

Interesting, but still quite a reach to make the claims you did above, no?

Is it a reach or am I refusing to do someone else's work for them?

Never mind, just figured out what you're doing here - reading your comment history, you're basically Hackernews' resident quack doctor giving dangerous, unscientific advise. Good luck with that.

How much do you take and how soon before you want to go to sleep?

5grams within 30minutes of hitting the sack.

Phew that is a lot. Do you know of any research that support this much for sleep, and how much the body can tolerate for extended periods of time?

The best I found was this from the European Food Safety Authority

https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.2903/j.efsa....

> Do you know of any research that support this much for sleep I look into it but because I started at a low dose and increase it until I find a dosage that works for me.

I love how refreshed and relaxed I feel when I wake up in the morning when I use it and it increases my sleep time. Its concentration falls as we age and my eyes have got sensitive to monitors again so its not all bad as it reduces my screen time. Taurine, like all chemicals does other things in the body which need to be factored in as well.

Unfortunately modern medicine, which doctors are keen to knock out, often have side effects and they have destroyed what little authority they had with me, which is their own doing.

Thankfully, as has been proven by non-modern medicine, that 5g of Taurine every day has zero side effects.

what does "hauling rear-end" mean? genuine question. I googled but it's all predictably cars

Hauling ass is the more common form of the phrase. It means going very fast. What he means here is that if you take it in the day, it’s stimulating, but at night it will help you sleep. I have personally never heard of Taurine as a sleep aid, but it’s a common component of energy drinks.

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