80% of People Quietly Despise Their Lives
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Selection bias is chief. Very few people are socially in touch with anything representing the general population. The author doesn't mention where he's initiating these conversations, but happy people do not hang out by themselves at bars very often or necessarily avail themselves to strangers in line at Starbucks. Many of them spend most of their socializing in families and tight knit groups of friends. It's very easy to interact with a certain strata of mildly depressed middle class people and think you're dealing with a diverse slice of society.
The other big one is projection. If you're a contemplative/philosophical person, especially a smart one, there's a good chance that you can tap right into people's ennui and disillusionment. People of a more manic bent can engage just about anyone in a fast-paced, neurotic conversation. The happier people I know are often under the impression that most people are more or less satisfied with their existence. Again, be careful.
Finally, most people also have a strong propensity to see themselves at a fundamental advantage to most people ("I'm doing good, everybody else is struggling."). I wish I remembered the name for the term.
It's an interesting conversation, but these kind of conversations need to proceed with a high-level of self-awareness that's somewhat absent here.
Not only does it matter who you ask and in what context, but the very wording of the questions is significant. By priming you properly (e.g. perhaps by asking you to name a bunch of extremely happy and fulfilled people and only then asking you if you feel happy and fulfilled yourself) I can probably make the results come out however I want.
The Lake Wobegon effect I assume. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wobegon_effect
2) Stability breeds contempt.
>> A will and desire awakens to go off, anywhere, at any cost; a vehement dangerous curiosity for an undiscovered world flames and flickers in all its sense. 'Better to die than to go living here' - thus responds the imperious voices and temptation; and this 'here', this 'at home' is everything it had hitherto loved! A sudden terror and suspicion of what it loved, a lightning-bolt of contempt for what it called 'duty', a rebellious, arbitrary, volcanically erupting desire for travel, strange places, estrangements, coldness, soberness, frost, a hatred of love, perhaps a desecrating blow and glance backwards to where it formerly loved and worshipped.
-- Nietzsche
More generally, it's just not true that all scientific work (including physics) is done completely by means of empirical research. See Wikipedia's entry on "Thought experiment" for some good cases[1].
I'm not arguing for or against this particular bit of Nietzsche, but I think HN sometimes overvalues empirical or statistical study above all else.
consequences:In terms of their theoretical consequences, thought experiments generally:
challenge (or even refute) a prevailing theory, often involving the device known as reductio ad absurdum,
Hmm, you could replace device with logical falicy but then it does not say what they thought it did...
Other disciplines are less concerned with Truth (big "T") so much as they're focused on practical lessons on how to live life.
Oops, I forgot: reductionism is the modern dogma. Carry on.
I'm like me, therefore everybody is like me?
If true, that should scare the bejesus out of all of you.
"At this point of his effort man stands face to face with the irrational. He feels within him his longing for happiness and for reason. The absurd is born of this confrontation between the human need and the unreasonable silence of the world."
-- Camus (who was heavily influenced by Nietzsche)
Aren't they talking about two very different things?
It is a broad theory. It says life is basically absurd because the world is meaningless and indifferent to man's desires/prejudices/beliefs. The world just doesn't care about man and we can't apply any universal laws to human life. Life is full of randomness/surprises. Loss/defeat/death can come anytime in any form but man continues to be in denial about them. This makes man vulnerable to boredom/pessimism/nihilism. I think this situation is what the article's 80% of people represent.
The solution Absurdists give is, man should create his own meaning in life and live for it but by being constantly aware of life's absurdity. Instead of denying it or seeking permanent happiness in some supernatural world or after life, we should embrace this life and all its absurdities. This attitude makes us live life to the fullest and as Nietzsche says it leads to the 'celebration of life'. I think the article's 20% of people fall under this.
[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism
Also see:
The Myth of Sisyphus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus
Eternal Return - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_recurrence#Friedrich_Ni...
Amor Fati - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amor_fati
I may have totally missed the point, of course. Thanks for replying - I'll definitely check out your links.
Remember that both Nietzsche and Camus refused to belong to any particular philosophical school of thoughts but many of their thoughts overlap. So I'm just trying to link both.
-- Lao Tzu
What I feel like I've come to realize is that pride is at the center of it all. Pride is what makes people "quiet" about it , because people don't like admit that they aren't happy. People don't want to spend $500 on a phone, be locked for 2+year, and then admit its a POS (yes, some people do, but far from the majority). People don't want to admit that they hate their job to their closest friends and coworkers unless it's clear everyone else feels the same way.
People lie to themselves (although, they certainly know they are doing it), so that they don't have to admit that they aren't perfect...it's ego...and it's silly (it's the same thing that makes people buy a 2nd car, or a bigger house, because their friends got a 2nd car or their brother bought a new house..)
But in my own experience, pride does still play a part in it, it isn't about trying to be positive, it's about not wanting to seem like a fool and getting fleeced.
Maybe pride is just the reason I'm not happy, and not everyone else's reason :)
What shocked me was...
1) it's almost impossible to talk with someone about themselves, about mistakes they've made or about things they could do better (unless they brought it up).
2) almost nobody cares about "the truth". They only care about what makes them happy.
Those two may as well be laws of nature.
I came to the first one after reading journal articles about 'inherency' (debate jargon for the reason a problem continues to persist), where I started think much more in terms of external causes of problems I had rather than internal ones. That's also made me much more empathetic
The second one came to me through an old debate coach, my first mentor. I've actually found that 'seeking the truth' is a really fantastic experience, and contagious too; its the reason my roommate comes home from class and reads academic studies about fitness and nutrition.
People usually aren't seeking validation or criticism from others, especially if they don't know or work with these people. Offering these apropos of nothing is kind of rude.
2) almost nobody cares about "the truth". They only care about what makes them happy.
What does this mean? Who is the arbiter of "truth," then?
The second part is the poisonous way most live their lives. Relatively - i.e. the core determinant of many people's happiness is relative and not absolute income.
If this theory is correct, we should discourage people from discussing income distribution. Whenever a reporter writes an article about rising income inequality, they are contributing to the problem.
Running a business, or working on a creative project can also cause a lot of unhappiness and misery. I've been pursuing my goals and dreams for a couple of years now and I don't think it has made me happier at all.
I've found these things to be much more important:
-Maintaining a calm, relaxed state as much as possible. Not suppressing anger but not letting it destroy you either.
-Physical and mental challenges; doesn't mean you have to quit your job and pursue some grand scheme though
-Socializing
if 'socializing' is perceived as simply a 'distraction' from a litany of minor complaints about paid employment, its quite possible the root cause of unhappiness lies not in the job but in a lack of compensatory enjoyment of social and leisure situations outside the workplace.
(It's also possible you are just very different from me and from most people I know; but I used to feel similarly; and I still don't like to socialize a lot, but with the right people, every now and then? it can be pretty great.)
I do love spending time with people. I'd say, I like to do it too much sometimes. However, I also found it to be a super-effective way of escaping from harder problems, not only my-job-sucks related, but general my-life-sucks related. What I meant to say in previous comment is that (for me) it has similar 'signature' as escaping problems by reading / discussing on HN. It's not a waste of time, but I know for myself that I could spend here much more time that I should. Ditto for socializing. Sometimes you actually want to solve your problems instead of complaining about them to other people.
What makes me go with it? I don't know. Maybe thoughts like "if I'm not going to do this cool and useful project then nobody else would". Or the few people that from time to time tell me "hey man, that's a very cool project you've created, it really helped me". And I'm not talking projects that bring me money, I'm talking about stuff that help other people make better sense of the world we're living in and about our surroundings.
Also, by chance I've just recently read Seneca's "On the Shortness of Life" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Brevitate_Vitae_%28Seneca%29), it really helped me put things in a different (I'd say better) perspective.
I think this is the wrong advice. Writing a novel like this will give the impression it will never be done. If, after ten years, you'll read what you have so far, it'll be sh.t because, in ten years your style and your way of thinking will change a lot.
My current idea is, if you want to achieve something, focus and do it quickly. Otherwise you will run out of steam and finally be frustrated. Being frustrated a few times results in the impression that you cannot get anything done.
I saw an artist on TV the other day that said she throws away any song that takes more than 30 minutes to write. Because her mood and thoughts will change if she spends too much time writing the song.
"Scrambled Eggs / Oh, my baby how I love your legs"
I personally have grown happier every year since age 6 or so (prior to that I don't remember, but I imagine I was the typical bipolar child joyous at one second and in the depths of despair the next). Mainly because of increased personal autonomy, long term goal fulfillment, and knowledge/experience increase.
I think misery is fairly normal for children and teenagers. They have no control over their life, and they are surrounded by jerks. I mean, come on; nearly everyone is an asshole at 16. God knows I was. And when you are 16, you are mostly around other 16 year old assholes, and you are treated like an asshole by adults, because, well, you probably are one.
For me, when I was that age, my favorite part of any day was going to my part-time IT job, where I helped county workers (mostly 40+) with their windows problems. The contrast between interacting with adults who treated me like a real human being that had something to offer and the rest of my life was extreme.
And really, I don't think my life was that unusual. I mean, besides the after-school IT job.
I find adulthood to be very free. I mean, I'm sure it would be different if I had children, and maybe even if my spouse couldn't support herself, but as is? I pretty much do whatever I feel like doing. I mean, there are tradeoffs, and I have to live with the consequences of my mistakes, and I do need to work a certain amount every few days to avoid destroying the lifestyle I've set up, but beyond that? I can make my world be what I want it to be. I can easily work more and have a larger company, money for cool gadgets or future time off, or alternately, I can work less. Heck, my employee is good enough now that if I really want to I could almost completely stop work (or get a regular full-time job and have lots of money for gadgets.) and let things coast until he gets sick of it and leaves.
If I find a particular task tiresome or unpleasant, I can, generally speaking, pay a small fee and have someone else deal with it, or I can organize my life such that it doesn't have to be done. I go to sleep when I feel like it, and I wake up when I want to.
Nobody is riding me to learn skills that are both difficult and useless. Really, nobody is riding me to learn anything; When I feel like it, I can go learn new things that I find interesting and/or useful. I can challenge myself as much as I like, or I can stay home for a few days and read Asimov's complete foundation series. Heck, if I want structure, I can build my own, or ask others to impose it on me. This is one of my current projects; designing and then implementing some structure in areas where I think structure will make me happier.
But, I value this freedom highly, and I'm willing to pay for it; I jumped from highschool to overpaid programmer/sysadmin gigs in '97, and have put a large part of the difference between the upper middle class salary paid to someone with my skills and the amount of money someone like me actually needs to live towards starting my own business (or rather, towards mistakes I made while starting my own business.) I mean, even now, with my business going fairly well, I'm earning slightly less than the nationwide median per-capita income while living in an area where the local median per-capita income is about twice that, so I've made some sacrifices for that freedom. But it was my choice, and really, I'm pretty happy with how it has turned out. Over the last year or so I've been rather less productive, and I'm focusing on ramping up my productivity for the next year or two. I've made some pretty good progress this month, which is satisfying. but again, this is my choice.
Being an adult is wonderful.
I find it funny that it's a surprise most people don't like furthering other's agendas more than their own most days. It's silly that most people would. (Or just lucky that so many can find a way to make money doing something they actively enjoy.)
I doubt, however, work life is the nexus of this problem. It would certainly seem so if work is life to you, but I suspect that most people aren't like that. Jobs are an inconvenience or, more likely, a neutral segment of their lives. People can (and do) push their down time into working hours, saving energy and engagement for later.
I wouldn't be surprised if the coulda-woulda-shouldas make most people despise their lives off-and-on, yielding a continuous churn of momentary depressives. I also doubt this a problem unless the length of bouts is high.
This is all right. I'd say that taking what you have for granted and complaining about what you don't is human nature. But it does not mean that people despise their lives. It means they like to complain.
Asking people, as a stranger, about "their careers" gives them a cue to complain. This makes the results even worse.
At the same time, I am super grateful I can function as a typical human can, and not bound up with some terrible disease or insurmountable physical challenge, and not living in the third world. The grass is always greener until you have none.
Of course we can talk about how inconsistent people's preferences are all night.
My hypothesis is that people are unhappy mainly when they have few allies (people with similar values). I believe that there are certain physiological reactions that take place when you are among those you identify strongly with and that if this never or almost never happens a general malaise is the result.
Not saying everybody should do what he did, but I have come to increasingly believe that everything should be questioned when it comes to choosing a livelihood - even the assumption that one needs to work for a living - since its going to be a big part of your life.
http://pewsocialtrends.org/2009/09/17/take-this-job-and-love...
Around me, I do not believe 9 out of 10 people I know are "completely" or "mostly" satisfied with their jobs. The number if substantially less.
How else are you going to find out if someone's happy with their job?
The nice thing about working for a company is the whole thing is not 100% riding on me & there are other dev's who can "cover" for you. I can also focus more on what I like to do vs when I worked for my self where I did everything; even the parts I sucked at but the clients like you so much they insist that you be the one doing it.
Long story short, I like working for "the man" and am quite happy with where I'm at.
I strongly believe that the one reason for unhappyness, bad personality, and even physical sickness is -not trying- to reach what you wanted to reach.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/People-Get-Happier-as-They-Ge...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATf3SAqj30
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