Yes they’ll go home to their vaccinated parents.
What edge case are you trying to solve by remaining in a state of hysteria?
What edge case are you trying to solve by remaining in a state of hysteria?
Are you in the "they've had enough time to get vaccinated, so if they haven't done so yet let them get COVID" camp?
There is no endpoint where SARS-CoV-2 is over. The strains will keep coming and Covid is endemic.
My personal experience is that each time you get COVID is more mild than the last, particularly if you are vaccinated, and this is borne out in the numbers.
Surprisingly the mutations are enough that getting it repeatedly is totally possible. Even an actual sterilizing vaccine that worked in the nasal passages might not have stopping this.
If not now, when? What’s your endpoint for when the extremely damaging and poverty inducing hysteria will stop?
Omicron looks like it has a good change to get us to that point.
Most people are vaccinated + vaccines don't work very well = most COVID hospitalizations are vaccinated.
Do you have a source for this? The math doesn’t add up (vaccinated are 10-15x less likely to be hospitalized, and around 60% of US is vaccinated, implies around 6/46 hospitalized people are vaccinated) and all the sources I could find show that unvaccinated people take up most hospitalizations and even more ICU beds, which is the limiting resource.
https://www.wndu.com/2022/01/06/covid-19-hospitalizations-ri...
In the UK data quality is better than normal for some reason, perhaps due to the nationalized healthcare system making it easier to set consistent standards. And there the majority of COVID patients in hospital are vaccinated according to the ICNARC audits. It's not a big majority but it's there, and this is not confounder/game-playing free data either. They keep classifying people as unvaccinated for quite some time after their first shot for example, which is problematic because there's some evidence people are more likely to get infected immediately after their first dose. But that gets added to the unvaccinated side of the ledger. There are other problems e.g. people have to go to hospital to be hospitalized, but they tell vaccinated people they're protected from hospitalization, then declare victory when those people don't turn up. Given how marginal many cases are (they may or may not really need to be there but you can't know what would have happened in the alternative case), this is a form of circular reasoning.
Nonetheless it'd be weird if the USA and Germany were radically different to the UK in this regard.
In the US we have about 25% of adults unvaccinated, but it varies greatly from region to region. We've got plenty of counties where over 50% of adults are unvaccinated.
That's a harsh way of putting it, but yes. Fundamentally, the argument seems to be that kids will bring it home to vulnerable populations. Those vulnerable populations have had a year to get vaccinated and boosted. It is difficult to live in NYC without being vaccinated. I don't think it is wise or prudent to make policy decisions to protect some extreme minority of people who outright refuse preventative medical treatment.
A friend of mine can't because she's immunocompromised. Their family has done their part by staying home and finding new activities for their kids to accomplish in the house (which, fortunately for them, is pretty easy because they're huge nerds and aren't hurting for money). They're lucky because her husband is a self-employed remote contractor and she is a remote special education teacher.
Given how the reality of it has unfolded, it's fascinating (horrifying) to see the continued hysteria: one _must_ take the vaccine invented less than 2 years ago, that has been available for only a year, whose makers are immune from litigation re: unforeseen effects, is far less effective than it was first promised to be, and where even triple-dosed people catch Covid, regardless. It's super bizarre to see the desire/demand to vaccinate children with the brand-new drug...as young as 5!?!
As the virus evolves, our experience with it increases, the reality of the vaccines becoming clearer (they help, but not as much as we hoped for), and therapeutics become more available -- mandates that require vaccines seem less valid. It's appropriate to reconsider them, like _all emergency powers_. I'm actually hoping the SCOTUS knocks down the OSHA mandates. It's bad precedent to grant an agency such powers via fiat (executive order); and, what's being mandated is not at all what we thought it was.
How is this even a question? Of course they've had enough time, and they've made their choice to face COVID with their natural immune system. I'm talking here about people who still purposely refuse the vaccine, and I'm not talking about people who are unable to get it for medical reason.
As a society, we are not obligated to take measures to prevent COVID from reaching people who refuse the main act that will truly protect themselves.