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I don't know if there will "always" be up-and-coming competitors. There are only so many third world countries left to come up and "always" is a very long time. Hopefully, there are many models for "coming up", since making cooler gadgets probably won't work for everyone.

Of course, one could make the argument that current first world countries will decline to the point where they can begin to compete on price just as the up-and-comers begin to charge more. It's already happening, to a limited degree, in autos. Some manufacturing has come back to the US in places where wages and taxes are low. The recent economic downturn has caused quite a few kinds of work to return to the US, including manufacturing that was taking place in China.

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I know I'm venturing a bit off topic, but...

From what I've seen, 5 years is about the amount of time for major changes in trends to take place. A lot of companies can rise and fall in 5 years, which is the same amount of time it takes for a startup to come out of nowhere and then dominate the scene.

We haven't really seen China and India explode yet. I would even dare to say that a lot of people on HN haven't taken a close look at Chinese websites. Rhygar's comment not only applies to Samsung, but a lot of other companies we haven't even heard of in other countries. There are Chinese travel websites (e.g. qunar and huochepiao), auction sites (taobao), search engines (baidu), social networks (renren), made by really smart engineers who understand their local markets and cost a fifth to a third of what US software engineers cost--and when those companies make boatloads of cash in their own country, guess where they will start pushing out to?

I laughed when I went to Shanghai several years ago and saw all the urinals and toilets in the airport with the American Standard brand. Now, I see a lot of Toto (Japanese) branded toilets in American restaurants and public restrooms.

"and when those companies make boatloads of cash in their own country, guess where they will start pushing out to?"

Nowhere. They're localized copies of services existing elsewhere. Their strength tends to be either localization or central government block on American competitors.

Sorry, in my previous comment I was talking about both the on-the-ground engineers and also the people running the companies at the top (e.g. Jack Ma). They will also have a lot of money to buy whoever and whatever they want.

Can you name an international software acquisition which has gone well?

Always is a long time, but who knows, China was the richest country in the world until around 1810. We still have 20 years until China really starts getting an ageing population. Africa has a long way to go still, so there is plenty of coming up. Default and devaluation help for price competition too.

In a world of equal wages, there are still going to be local specialisms though. Not sure that it is fair to characterise that the richer countries make cooler stuff. Apple and Dell both make their products in China. Japan makes cool stuff that is only popular locally. Cultures have different attitudes to cool. There will still be diversity.

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