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Trump won the hispanic vote. Trump is many bad things, but I have no idea why his haters feel the need to make him into an imaginary racist. Really all that has done is make uninterested folks (like me) more sympathetic to him for having to deal with this kind of unsubstantiated nonsense.

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He pandered to racists all the time. It's not imaginary or unsubstantiated. Muslim ban, "build that wall", "shit hole countries", etc...

If those things are racist then every sitting president has been racist, including the current one. It doesn't seem very useful to make racism so broad that everyone is a racist.

When "dog whistles" become loudspeakers to those whom understand the language; a relatively new term I learned about I might add.

Back during the beginning of the pandemic, no one would have thought it would be framed as xenophobia had the US closed it's borders by restricting incoming international flights from Wuhan China but some policymakers got it in their heads that that was the case. As an Asian myself, that would've been the simplest of preventative measures that they could have done.

And that is the problem with knee jerk reactions. Trump’s travel ban against China was widely criticized but he was right to do so. Just because Trump said it or did it doesn’t make it wrong.

>Muslim ban

You do realize Biden recently banned travel from 8 African countries?

>"build that wall"

Type into any search engine "kamala harris says do not come"

The irony here is off the charts.

I can understand people thinking that of him in 2016, but it's demonstrably false at this point.

Consider that Trump is despised in White nationalist circles. Hated and mocked perhaps even more than among radical leftists (with the exception that we appreciate his occasional humorous moments). Yet another grifter, and a traitor to his people.

It will be very interesting to see how his White vote fares next time around.

I'll never get over the TDS in the tech community. All of these lengthy comments and the only specific examples of racism people can come up with are policies shared by many many many politicians, most of whom I've never heard called racist.

Do you believe that winning the Hispanic vote automatically makes someone not a racist? That is a pretty strange standard to go by. Is someone a racist by not winning the Hispanic vote? Are you aware of the racial divides and disparities that exist in almost every Latin American country?

At any rate, I did not call Trump a racist. I said that he catered to the white nationalist sentiment. Trump is a charlatan and an opportunist. His politics are self enrichment and aggrandizement and if catering to white nationalist sentiment gets him fealty the he desires then he will do so.

Trump is a liar and devoid of redeeming qualities. It is easy to find the ways he is flawed and only deliberate ignorance can explain someone not being aware of the many, many character flaws the man has.

Trump may or may not be a racist (there's plenty of circumstantial evidence that he is, but some people won't be satisified unless he walks up to a podium in blackface or a Klan hood something) but the wellspring of support for his populism among white supremacists, and the effect of that support both on his election and throughout his first term has been so thoroughly substantiated and documented by now that your comment speaks to either naivete or willful ignorance in pretending it never existed.

Edit: oops, you used the term 'TDS' in another comment. The jig is up, seems you're not a disinterested party, and you're just here to troll.

>oops, you used the term 'TDS' in another comment. The jig is up

TDS is a term also used by actual, you know, leftists. Like Bernie voters:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/ext4tn/bernie...

I've seen plenty of people on the left on social media also use "Let's go Brandon", do you think those are trolls too? Just because they don't believe in "the lesser of two evils" which leaves them unrepresented in politics?

The sad part is I would've wanted to see Trump impeached and removed from office for many different things (such as his many conflicts of interest), but it's increasingly easy to sympathize with a man attacked by people whose entire social media personality is dragging him thru the mud for anything, justifiably or otherwise.

Lol, wut? Clinton won hispanics 66-28 in 2016. Biden won hispanics 59-38 in 2020.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-biden...

yeah, 2016 he drew the latino vote back to 28 from 27 and then in 2020 he took it to 38. That's called winning the latino vote - just because Republicans have historically not gotten the majority is beside the point. We're talking about Trump, who did better than any other republican candidate (save for one of GWBush elections).

You don't pull minority votes over to republicans as a white nationalist, unless I'm missing something.

I think you'll find it hard to convince people of your definition of "winning" including losing by 3:1 and 2:1 margins.

luckily that has next to nothing to do with the point of my comments.

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