CDC reports increase in human rabies cases linked to bats in the U.S.
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I've seen people freak out because they've seen a raccoon in the daytime and think (1) raccoons are nocturnal so this one is acting strange, and (2) raccoons are rabies carriers, and so it is probably acting strange because it is rabid.
In fact in this part of the country (western Washington) from 1988-2020 rabies has not been found in any wild terrestrial mammal. The only mammals found to have rabies over that time have been 530 bats, 2 cats, 1 horse, and 1 llama.
There's a nifty map here [1] showing what animal populations have rabies in which states.
So what does it mean when you see a raccoon in the daytime in western Washington? It almost always means they aren't finding enough food at night so have to put in overtime foraging.
This is quite common around breeding time. The pregnant females need more food than normal and often will have to go out during the day to get it.
BTW, I believe it is not known why rabies is not found in wild terrestrial mammals here.
For squirrels there are at least three theories. (1) Squirrels are safely asleep in their nests when bats are out, so don't get bitten by bats and if they get bitten by something else that something else is probably big enough that the encounter is fatal for the squirrel, (2) maybe squirrels have strong natural immunity so don't get it even if they do get bitten, or (3) maybe squirrels are particularly vulnerable to it so if they get bitten by a bat they quickly die before they can spread it and since we don't do autopsies on random dead squirrels we come across we never find out about the briefly rabid squirrels.
For raccoons, I don't think it is clear why they aren't picking it up from bats here.
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/surveillance/wild_an...
TIL there are mongoose (mongooses? mongeese?) in Puerto Rico.
> The first successful introduction of mongooses to the Caribbean region was back in 1872. They were intentionally brought to the islands to control rats that were destroying sugarcane crop. From Jamaica, they were taken to other islands, between 1877 and 1879, Puerto Rico, St. Cr4iox [sic] and St. John for the same rat-control purpose. In 1883, Jamaican mongooses were imported by sugar growers on the Big Island of Hawaii, and then were later taken to the other Hawaiian Islands.
http://stoppinginvasives.com/home/database/herpestes-javanic...
which attempts to keep rabies out of the squirrel population in the west by vaccinating the Appalachian ridge (and to a lesser extent other borders).
I'm not sure of the reliability of this source.
"But studies have shown it lying dormant for five days to several years before the symptoms kicked in. So not only won't you know you have the disease, it might not come to bite you in the ass for a couple of years, long after the animal that caused it has laughed itself to death."
https://www.cracked.com/blog/quarantined-6-things-you-learn-...
Maybe this is more reliable.
"In rare cases, it can vary from 10 days to 2 years."
Well that was the easiest research for my local area that I've ever done, thanks for the info!
https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/baylisascaris/gen_info/faqs.ht...
Ooook, now I understand why nobody is keeping bats as pet. Just think how much the vaccination costs each and every year for both the bat and the owner (and the bystanders screaming in fear, potentially).
Grouping it in this way is important because terrestrial mammals can be vaccinated easily.
Has been done with success in central Europe just drone seeding a zone with meat baits with oral vaccines on them. 90% of the foxes and jackals in an area can be vaccinated really fast with this system and then you repeat it each year to include also the new cubs. Then you stop messing seriously with the population to avoid empty territories and new animals moving to the area. Is perfectly doable if you have the political will of vaccinating and -not- culling the vaccinated population. Culling increases the probability of having rabies in the area.
Dogs and cats can be (or are required to be) vaccinated, so is not a big problem either. You just need to watch for stray cats and dogs and use the baits again.
Bats can't be vaccinated easily and they are big travelers, so still are the main reservoir in Europe. We still don't have a solution for this problem
I've chased a raccoon out from under my house in the middle of the daytime.
It may just mean that someone annoyed the raccoon.
> The period between infection and the first symptoms (incubation period) is typically 1–3 months in humans. This period may be as short as four days or longer than six years, depending on the location and severity of the wound and the amount of virus introduced. Initial symptoms of rabies are often nonspecific such as fever and headache. Death usually occurs 2 to 10 days after first symptoms. Survival is almost unknown once symptoms have presented, even with intensive care.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
Look up YouTube videos of patients if you want to be sad.
On a positive note, the act of being alive is also a ticking time bomb that inevitably leads to death as well, so there is that!
>> Only x number of people have died in the U.S. in the past x years. Rabies is really rare.
> Yes, deaths from rabies are rare in the United States, in the neighborhood of 2-3 per year. This does not mean rabies is rare. The reason that mortality is so rare in the U.S. is due to a very aggressive treatment protocol of all bite cases in the United States: If you are bitten, and you cannot identify the animal that bit you, or the animal were to die shortly after biting you, you will get post exposure treatment. That is the protocol.
> Post exposure is very effective (almost 100%) if done before you become symptomatic. It involves a series of immunoglobulin shots - many of which are at the site of the bite - as well as the vaccine given over the span of a month. (Fun fact - if you're vaccinated for rabies, you may be able to be an immunoglobulin donor!)
> In countries without good treatment protocols rabies is rampant. India alone sees 20,000 deaths from rabies PER YEAR.
I also got the 4-shot vaccine series, which felt like any other vaccine (basically painless), but the RIG was like having liquid fire injected into my Forrest Gump region.
Mostly, I remember it being funny every time I went back and presented my bare butt to the nurse.
Might it not be better to reduce rabies in wildlife, or spend the money on other kinds of vaccinations?
I guess there is a lot to account for when you start talking about preventative vaccination instead of post exposure vaccination.
Most vets I know have only ever had one or two doses per decade.
If you truly must live your life in fear of dying, look no further than heart disease and car accidents.
Those are not as scary because there are plenty of survivors, in various states of health. Rabies is notable for being a very binary and decisive disease with little advance warning or treatment.
It is sadly funny that we manage to extinct the useful, and mostly beneficial creatures around us, but our "enemies" just exist rampantly and laugh.
They didn’t catch it so we didn’t know if the bat had rabies. We hadn’t been bitten, but you can get the virus dropped in your eyes or nose and it is basically 100% fatal.
With those odds, you go through the 3 shot protocol. It was basically $1k per shot for each of us. We have solid insurance but they were not covered because they are so rare.
(I know US medical insurance is different)
The shakes from that cannibals get are prions. I also though I saw a link to a subset of alzehimer cases but can't find it.
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surp...
"...in 1985 when the Colorado Division of Wildlife tried to eliminate CWD from a research facility by treating the soil with chlorine, removing the treated soil, and applying an additional chlorine treatment before letting the facility remain vacant for more than a year, they were unsuccessful in eliminating CWD from the facility."
There seems to be some kind of species barrier making it difficult for deer prions to infect humans, because people are certainly being exposed to it frequently, especially in areas like the midwest where CWD is rampant. But we're in deep trouble if that ever changes. Imagine people dying of CJD because deer peed in a field somewhere decades ago, the prions bound to the soil, then bound to a seed planted in the soil, then you ate whatever crop happened to be grown there. It'd be inescapable.
I get the point and it is not all that bad writing. But, people don't die of rabbies all that often.
I was curious, and thought that would be something gruesome involving power tools, so I looked it up and it's apparently an induced coma with heavy doses of antiviral drugs, which has a very low success rate.
We had booked 2 adults and 2 diaper-age kids for PEP shots when I took the day off and turned the house upside down trying to find the bat. Eventually I found the dumb thing stuck to a glue trap for mice. No rabies.
But yeah, people were looking at me like I was bonkers for scheduling the shots. "Did it bite you?" No idea! But I'm not going to take my chances on being the second person ever to come out not quite dead from a drug-induced coma after symptoms set in.
My father in law knew better and still let the bat escape. Cost us $10k in shots for 3 of us.
I had post-exposure prophylaxis for rabies. Five sets of shots into my torso.
This was less than pleasant.
A guy I knew recently got bitten by a dog and had to get the shots. He said it was five in the arm.
At least that's the way it is where live.
And that doesn't even get into "if a dog bites, the owner can be criminally charged" side of things, and often is. Even mild cases of biting, may mean the animal is put down.
Only exception is if the victim was engaged in a criminal act.
When he was bitten he was inebriated (picked up a wiggling bag and the bat inside bit him), and the next morning he never saw any bite wound (because their teeth are so slender they don't necessarily leave a mark) -- so he wrote the whole thing off.
I'm haunted by his death. The painful lesson is that if one even thinks there was a possibility of a bat bite then one should seek treatment.
https://get21stnight.com/2020/03/30/why-do-we-keep-getting-d...
Their lungs do not contract like mammals but the air sacs do - so when they exhale their lungs are still performing a gas exchange.
A bit misleading to use the term "only" here, as there are over 1000 species of bats and they make up almost one quarter of all identified mammal species.
If not, it's an irrelevant level of detail for this context.
[0] https://get21stnight.com/2020/03/30/why-do-we-keep-getting-d...
Focusing on internal temperature during flight[0], there can be swings between species as drastic as "this would be a life threatening fever in a human" to "this counts as hypothermia in a human".
Even the pre-exposure rabies shots are only good for a year or two, at least when I got them. If I'd continued working with bats I would have needed yearly titer shots just to keep my immunity up enough to be safe around bats.
The problem with bats and rabies is, bats can be carriers without showing any symptoms until they're near death. The only way to know for sure if a bat that bites you has rabies or not is to take it in to be tested.
And she wasnt doing something stupid either. If I recall correctly she grabbed a rafter in her Attic and bam
If you show symptoms and haven't got the vaccine it's pretty much 100% fatal.
Wild.
Jeanna Giese (and six others) would disagree with you; and everyone else who where saved by the vaccine.
A handful of people have survived entirely without.
There's a critical (literally life and death) clarification to be made here. As far as I know, it's emphatically not true that you're doomed as soon as you are infected with rabies. My understanding is that a rabies infection is actually quite treatable if caught early. That's why, if you think there is any chance that you've bit bitten by a rabid animal, you should seek treatment immediately.
I think its when you begin exhibiting symptoms that you're basically a goner. If that's what you mean by "get it," then I don't disagree with your comment. But I'm not sure that's how people would interpret it.
My grandfather worked with rabies and I interviewed him for a school project. I remember being rather uncomfortable with his description of the disease. Perhaps a bit much to chew for a 4th grader. Anyway, the "once you show symptoms, you're dead" part really stuck with me.
Bats do a lot of good keeping other insects under control.
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/16/health/cases-a-bat-s-swif...
Or even dying due to bedsheets.
Your risk grows significantly if you enter their caves etc. Even bat guano is a good source of dangerous pathogens.
If you sleep with your window open, I recommend installation of a screen. Not just against bats, against insects, too. My wife got stung by a hornet when she stepped on it with a bare foot (it was right next to our bed on the floor) and it was a very painful experience. Our next residence is definitely going to include screens.
I was given a booster shot of anti-tetanus. I was given a Human Rabies Immune Globulin injection straight into the wound on my hand between my finger joints (this was extremely painful). Then I received my first dose of Rabies post-exposure vaccinations (Day 0, Day 3, Day 7, Day 14, and Day 28). The following injections were in my arm. All of the costs were covered by my travel insurance and my home healthcare system.
The entire experience was traumatic. Even though I knew the circumstances were definitely in my favor (I knew the chance of the dog actually being rabid was probably quite low and I had received treatment within a couple of hours) I was still really freaked out for a couple of months.
To make matters worse, just a few days after my incident, there was a Norwegian girl that died from rabies after getting bit by a dog. That definitely didn't help calm my nerves.
Ever since then I am extremely cautious of any animals around me.
> Embargoed Until: Thursday, January 6, 2022, 1:00 p.m. ET
means? And why? This is months old by now and would have been nice to know.
This is a common practice for both government and private sector press releases.
This isn't news. This is people being stupid and dying. In the Illinois case the patient specifically refused the shots.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/rabies-in-humans-symptoms-vaccin...
"The Illinois Department of Public Health said in mid-August, a man in his 80s woke to find a bat on his neck. The bat was captured and tested positive for rabies. While health officials told the man he needed to start post-exposure rabies treatment, he declined."
Woke to find a bat on his neck.
Those "I didn't know" cases do exist. This is not one of them.
At what point is it a suicide?
Patient refused shots because of a fear of vaccines
This is why the CDC started blocking pet travel from most international locations starting on 7/15/21.
In case you are wondering, the affected also include pets that initally departed from the US, regardless of rabies vaccination status.
How the CDC finds time to worry about this in the middle of an ongoing pandemic, not sure.
Anything else would be horribly incompetent.
We absolutely don't want other departments at the CDC robbed of resources, funding, or we may well find far worse things than COVID happening.
The cdc is huge…they do workplace safety to. A good portion of them have gotten sucked into covid but really it’s mostly been the people who do infectious disease, vaccination, or public health communications type stuff
That’s not to say the staff at cdc are not just completely burned out from it…
A few days later my wife was talking to friend and she mentioned that we had a possible rabies encounter — bat bites are incredibly small and if you are sleeping its very possible you wouldn't have even felt the bite. Naturally we were shocked and searched our bodies and found nothing, but just to be certain we called our local department of health and found that, yes, this is a valid rabies exposure event and we were eligible for rabies care. (For future reference, you're supposed to basically catch and kill/freeze the animal and send it to animal control for rabies testing to see if you actually had an exposure. We were woken up at 4am so didn't really think to look up rabies protocol at the time)
Cue USA Healthcare insanity. So we first find out after calling the hospital that rabies vaccines are only administered in the ER, meaning we can't just go to any urgent care center and get a shot. Not only this, but the rabies vaccine is a series of 4 shots, each about a week apart. And "because USA", the system has no way of remembering that we're in for a planned series of shots, meaning we have to be re-ingested into the ER every time we enter (keeping in mind that a global pandemic is still going on). So now we're going to the ER for about ~3 hours every few weeks, of which on _literally every visit_ they ask us the exact same series of boilerplate questions about basic health info. 99% of our time is filling out paperwork, the shot itself takes seconds.
We started to wonder if it was really worth it, but its worth remembering rabies is basically 100% fatal. So it was basically risking sure death via rabies or being subjected to an ER wing during a global pandemic multiple times a month. We went with "get the shots".
But it gets worse. So after everything is done, we get a hospital bill. As it turns out, EACH RABIES SHOT IS $4,000! EACH SHOT! This means that between my wife and I, we accrued $32,000 in medical bills for simply trying to not subject ourselves to absolute death. I find this totally insane. On top of the rabies bills we were also charged for ER charges, which apparently are weird because the ER doctors bill separately from the ER itself, and those costs also ran into the thousands. Luckily we had health insurance, and our county covered some of the costs as well.
The whole structure of this is outrageous. Yes, for profit healthcare is bad, but this is on another level. Just imagining someone less fortunate than us that gets into this situation. You're staring down $32,000+ in medical bills, or death. Which do you choose? The whole experience left such a terrible taste in my mouth that I hate the USA even more for even requiring this calculus in the first place.
The rabies vaccine is different and costs much less, if you get vaccinated before exposure then you don't need the immunoglobulin if you later get exposed.
The actual cost of a dose (Italy, in bulk) should be (just the vaccine, besides the doctor/nurse administering it) around 40 Euro [1] (which in most cases you do not pay, as it is covered by the SSN - corresponding to the MHS in UK).
According to Wikipedia, it is even lower: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies_vaccine#Cost
[1] search for Rabipur here:
https://www.aulss8.veneto.it/provvedimenti/delibera%20f_ta_1...
I know San Francisco’s (https://www.sfcdcp.org/aitc/) does because I got them after getting scratched by a stray cat in Sri Lanka…
Also they weren’t cheap but definitely not $4000 per shot. Maybe a couple thousand total, I don’t recall exactly.
Fact: 5 people in the United States died from rabies last year.