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I guess it depends on a few things:

- how long the immunity gained from having recovered from Omicron lasts

- how well that immunity protects against other current (and future) variants of covid

- what kind of new strains of covid appears in next several months / years that may replace Omicron

- how many people we are able to get vaccinated globally

- advances in new and better vaccines becoming available (complete with antiviral pills etc)

And probably quite a few other factors that weren't on top of my layman head...

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Also:

- how much/long the media keeps the fear drum pounding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5E8z89c9U

Media fear drum has no effect on whether my local hospital is overwhelmed. Everybody can make their own decisions, as long as hospitals are good.

Everyone should be able to make their own decisions anyway. Hospitals are some arbitrator of decision making and hosptial admission due to covid is collapsing. Stop fear mongering this isn’t Facebook.

> Everybody can make their own decisions, as long as hospitals are good.

Wait. "Everyone can make their own decisions"? And those decisions are completely rational, not affected at all by what the media is saying? I would argue the complete opposite.

Why are you trying to bend the argument into hospital capacity? Is your argument that if hospital capacity is under threat then it's ok for the media and government to lie and instill baseless fear into people, solely as a means of a) scaring them into staying at home (to minimize the spread of the virus) and b) to demonize unvaccinated people?

One would think that transparency and honesty would work better than bullshitting people.

Yeah and nobody mentions that our hospitals were already stretched to their limit before Covid because they are for-profit corporations. They should have had capacity for a pandemic because everyone knew there would be one. It’s poor planning, not Covid. They will add capacity and then what will your argument be?

you can't add capacity to a system that requires highly trained specialists on a dime. hospital capacity is very much limited by how much it is used on a day to day basis, regardless of pandemic status.

what you suggest simply will never be an effective strategy.

It's a combination of doctors and nurses. In some places, it's nursing staff that's keeping all beds from being open. This is absolutely a workforce that can be flexed on a shorter term notice.

Doctors can also be incentivized to do rotations in the ER. My primary care physician many years ago used to do ER rotations as a sort of overtime. Inventivize with the right pay, more will do it. Granted this isn't a large labor supply, but it certainly could help.

Instead, what you see is a shrinking of the nurse labor supply by a few percentage points due to vaccination requirements. Pretty ridiculous to complain about lack of capacity when you force some of that because you refuse to officially recognize natural immunity as equal to vaccine derived immunity.

nurses take years of training. where are you going to get them during a global pandemic on immediate notice when literally every area needs additional nursing resources?

nurses and doctors are leaving due to the stress of a long term pandemic. are you asserting we can just force them back into labor? that's fairly dictatorial of you. it still doesn't change that we would only revert to original levels, it would not be a significant increase in supply.

Huh didn’t say anything about forcing, please be careful about putting words in peoples mouths. I said incentivized with pay, quite the opposite of forcing.

its the natural outcome to your argument. there simply is no way to increase the supply of highly trained specialists within even a year timeframe.

'incentives' won't help. there simply isn't enough supply in aggregate. and they are not leaving because of a lack of pay they're leaving due to the stress of dealing with assholes on the daily. cash isn't going to fix that problem.

the only option left in such a scenario is literally mandating they return to work. which doesn't nothing be return you to initial workforce levels it doesn't increase capacity.

we're seeing this right now with the national guard 'mobilization' in some areas. they're literally doing nothing but sitting with patients and other menial tasks that don't require training. they're basically just in the way.

Never underestimate the ability to change peoples minds with money :)

that which is asserted without evidence is rejected without evidence. you under estimate little people give a shit about money after a certain point.

plenty of people in the 100-200k range take cuts in the 30-40k / year range to move to better work environments. so the idea you'll get doctors who generally make 200k+ would be willing to work in shitty conditions for a prolonged period is pretty bogus.

nurses you might be able to entice them to come back for 20-30k bumps, but its also unlikely.

even if your idea worked, it doesn't increase the supply. it just brings us back to predecline levels.

edit: in fact a clear example of your idea not working: paying people to get the vaccine. did jack shit to actual increase uptake.

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