One of the things they told us in infantry school was, "if you get shot, don't die", meaning: don't immediately think that you're dead, because experience has shown that you might actually die from a survivable wound if you _think_ you're a goner.
If you give up you are a gonner if you dont you may make it, and everyone who has survived had a determination to struggle on even when it looked bleak (i think the stats say something like if you are not out of the water in 5 mins you are unlikely to survive - even with a survival suit.)
They show videos of people passing out as they are airlifted out of the sea too and falling out of the sling. or passing out and drowning when they see the helicopter overhead - assuming that they dont need to fight any more.
> He remembered: "I think once I accepted there was no hope of survival, I was powerless to do anything to save myself. A quiet resignation came over me."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetl...
Obviously take those statistics with a grain of salt.
According to some stats you can survive one minute in icy water.
Yet many people enjoy swimming in the ice, including some who can stay in the icy water for 15 minutes or more just for kicks.
Also, if you get tossed off a boat in the North Sea, chances are that the water is not very calm.
I don't mean this unkindly, but I notice in the photos that she was a bit heavy. Was that considered a factor in her ability to withstand the cold?
She's a fantastic writer too, I found this piece she wrote from the New Yorker, definitely worth a read[2]
[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-body-fat-helps-this-elite-a...
[2] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/04/21/a-dip-in-the-c...
I think he collapsed on the doorstep (again having "made it") but was okay in the end.
He was not a slim guy, not sure if that helped.. but it was one of the dont give up examples. So outcomes do vary wildly.
If I remember right, the conclusion was that 50% of the time, it didn't matter what the caliber was. The person got hit, realized they'd been shot, thought they were supposed to fall down, and then did.
The other 50% did come down to the bullet caliber, lining up pretty much as you'd expect, along with some interesting stories of people who took mortal wounds from high-caliber rounds and kept fighting for a few minutes.
Something that surprised me when watching the NZ masque terrorism shooter's first-person video was how uniformly everyone shot immediately collapsed. It looked fake like a Hollywood movie, except it was real.
I have no firsthand experience with people being shot, but based on that particular footage my impression is people tend to go down hard immediately.
In the video the shooter fires repeatedly into the piles of collapsed bodies, and there's a disturbing lack of reactions. Folks survived but I suspect most of those were just lucky to be shielded by others who weren't so lucky.
Imagine a peak Mike Tyson punch to the liver / lungs / kidneys / &c. that's if it doesn't straight up break your spine
I have not watched the footage of the NZ shooting. I just wanted to speak to some considerations that might drive sudden collapse. Mechanically, there's two things I'd point at:
First, a bullet wound to the heart itself, or close enough (see next point) can effectively be an off switch, in the sense that you're blowing out the hydraulic system feeding blood to the brain. Suddenly loss of flow and pressure means no oxygen getting supplied to the brain; when that happens, willpower and mindset don't mean anything.
Secondly, a rifle round tends to be moving at least twice the speed of a pistol round, bringing with it significantly more kinetic energy and hydrostatic shock, creating a much larger wound channel, more likely blowing out a critical system and/or delivering massive shock to various organs.
It does not belong on YouTube, but absolutely belongs in some sort of publicly accessible archive behind the digital wall of possibly a free signup form and definitely some reminders of just what you’re about to look at. And before anyone suggests some variation of right to be forgotten, I’d counter-argue that right ends when what happens to you is a national tragedy that significantly changes the society you lived in.
Ten minutes later I was the point man while pushing upstairs and must have been hit about 10 times and I ignored it like Superman.
We think we are being kind but it's the kindness of talking someone into jumping off a cliff instead of trying to climb back down.
If you want your family members to have the best chance of coming home, tell them that you are not ready for them to go and that you still need them.
Wouldn’t that be because people are unlikely to say that except in the most dire circumstances?
This is a risky state, as multiple concurrent issues increases fatalities. They already have their age, the surgery to heal from, and then throw a common infection on top of it all? You're in a red zone for survival at that point, but it's common enough and the fatalities are very low at that point unless you add in the secret ingredient.
That ingredient being a beloved family member that doesn't tend to make histrionics out of small crises, the calm and caring one of the family, you know? When that person tells you how they want you to stay but "if you need to go then go", tearfully bidding you adieu?
That's a straight up death sentence.
If your elderly family member is in a tight spot but has a decent life waiting on them to recover? Don't tell them it's okay to go. Tell them to fight like they're the third monkey on the ramp of Noah's Ark and it's starting to rain.
Then again, if they have severe issues, will never be outside of the institution again, they only have Jello night on Tuesdays to look forward to for the rest of their drooling, senile, smelly, miserable, and unfathomably uncomfortable lives, then that is when you tell them it's okay to go because literally nothing is better than where they will be if they survive.
This omits important context.
Many of these people are suffering, and will continue to suffer as long as they live. Dementia, cancer, stroke, COPD, intubation. Even though "you still need them", keeping them alive through the miracle of modern medicine may be the wrong thing to do.
I hope, when I'm ready to go, that my family follows my wishes and does not push invasive and ultimately futile interventions on me.
She let go, they installed a feeding tube and ensured she couldn't die with what little dignity remained at the time.
She came back, in body, but rapidly lost what little of her self that remained. But now she lies in bed her life forcibly extended each day; completely devoid of a life, and hopefully devoid of cognition.
Frankly, it is inhumane.
My grandpa has been clinging to life for the past couple of years for the benefit of his son despite the fact that he clearly doesn't fully exist on this plane anymore, and it's hard for me to watch. When I'm his age, I hope I'm surrounded by people that understand me enough to let me go when the time comes.
The hearing can work even if no other senses work they told us and if I understood it correctly they meant these words could make the wounded person give up.
because soldiers were taking survivable hits, but staying on with their buddies in the firefight while slowly bleeding out until the hit became much less survivable.
My brother is a doctor (CMO of the largest health system in a state, he was previously head of the Veterans administration for said state, Commander of the 10th medical wing in the USAF (he's a ret. Colonel - gave up the General track) , personal flight surgeon to the joint chiefs at the dod... etc...)
I asked him recently about covid related use of the ICU rooms at his facility...
and I was stunned that he answered that "we don't keep records of that"
I had been asking about who was vaxxed and not - and he said that he had several people who were vaxxed and got covid and also died, the youngest being 30, who was vaxxed but also one of his employees at the hospital.
The point though is just how much I was surprised at the statement that they aren't keeping records....
He was a field surgeon in Iraq, but I haven't talked to him about that experience much...
And they also know who is vaccinated, so the general claim doctors were saying was that vaccinated seldom end up in ICU and very rarely die. Most in serious condition are unvaccinated.
Causes of death tend to be tracked on national level too. It might be that hospital does not care, but death certificates for all kinda of stuff should be written somewhere.
What your brother means is that he hasn't encountered a medical or financial reason to request those reports run yet. The data is 100% being collected.
by your brother?
So yeah.