After going down a long rabbit hole I lean towards non lab leak, but if we can’t ask questions because of politicization of ideas we are done.
Imagine a scientist not being curious about HIV in its early days because of homophobia (it was definitely a thing but the right people ignored it). Maybe the analogy isn't perfect ... I didn't want to open a can of worms but hopefully you get my point :)
I too think the evidence in this particular virus comes down on the side of a natural origin, but the a priori denial of the possibility (and need for investigation) of a lab leak early in the pandemic was really unjustified. In fairness, the right wing demands to sanction (or even attack) China certainly didn't help things.
The people that keep pushing that angle are usually not in this for the science but to stoke the fire.
You also ignore all circumstantial human behaviour around this, like China being completely unwilling to cooperate in any way in the investigation. Why? Surely if it was definitely a spillover they would cooperate because it’s not exactly their fault?
Hard evidence is required for exceptional cases, especially when culpability is involved. Whereas the 'natural' way may simply not have left enough evidence at all to be able to trace it.
There’s no reason to assume such support based on the “flaming liberal” designation, so asking the question can only be interpreted as some form of accusation or implication that such a relationship does exist.
I was questioning the relationship between the two parts of that sentence, that’s all.
And again I ask: how does being a liberal and supporting the investigation of the lab leak hypothesis have any connection to supporting CCP behavior?
The only possible conclusion I can draw is that you’re implying those liberals who don’t think lab leak should be discussed are somehow implicitly supporting the CCP, but this does not logically follow either.
Where are the vaccines or medicine invented by this facility?
I can understand storing and analyzing the viruses. Yet gain of function is basically bioweapon research. How is this even allowed when it breaks bioweapon conventions?
Also isnt the famous wet market in Wuhan like 300 yards from the Chinese center for disease and control building? (Not to be confused with other buildings in same town).
Keep in mind research done there was an international effort. Some things being strongly funded and supported mostly be other countries.
It looks that China was collecting viruses (what makes a lot of sense) + also cooking some biological weapons on the side. They didnt call it "biological weapon production", they called it "gain of function research", but it is still the same thing.
USA paid some money to be able to access this data (makes sense, the more data you have, the better) + probably they wanted to spy on the Chinese to see what is happening. Unfortunately they send people such as Daszak, who in my opinion looks like a Chinese double-agent, or someone bribed by China to be their mouth-piece.
Still we are moving away from the discussion: this "research" is basically against Biological Research Convention ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_Weapons_Convention ). And yes, I know that Russia signed the convention but does not abide it - they manufacture lots of biological weapons. But it is another problem.
Are you an authority on the subject or are you making an unfalsifiable claim?
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