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Comment by nyolfen | Hacker News Reader

this only works in one country at a time, you can rest assured that other governments have your face tucked away in a datacenter

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Sure. I'll work on fixing the place I live, sleep, and eat for the time being. Liechtenstein can wait!

But can the other Five Eyes states wait? Offshoring outlawed domestic surveillance to allies seems to be the name of the game now.

I'm not confident that anything will stop US military and defense intelligence (which is completely distinct from the FBI, as a domestic LEO) from doing shady things.

Instead of worrying about how they're going to get around the law (they can do parallel construction on the Moon, for all I care), I'd prefer to have a sufficiently big punishment waiting for them when the public finally learns about it.

Time will punish them. As it did with any imperium in the past, as it will until the last ape on this space rock has ushered their last breadth.

Time is lord of all of us. Peasants and emperors alike

There is no evidence that this happens, and it is illegal for the US government to ask another country to spy on its citizens. If it happened, the resulting lawsuits would make headlines for weeks, and there would be forced resignations.

> There is no evidence that this happens ...

Didn't the Snowden documents and various things from that point give evidence that it _does_ happen?

GP found HN that year, might have missed the headlines.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosu...

Point me to any document that says the US asks other countries to spy on its citizens.

No. Nothing in Snowden's leaks showed this happening. If anything did, there would have been lawsuits. People believe there were a lot of things in those leaks that weren't actually there.

Other governments lack the ability to take my property, take my freedom, or take my life.

FBI has the ability, with a single action, to ruin any resident's of the US life, I think that is significantly more worrisome than if Russia or China has my face unless I lived in Russia or China

I didn't down-vote you as I believe views like this should be stated but responded to properly. Your safety from foreign governments is not guaranteed even if you live within the borders of the United States. A perfect example of this is a post by someone else here on Hacker News pertaining to the tools that the Chinese government uses to identify dissidents outside of their borders.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/business/china-internet-p...

Nothing in that story seems to concern me or most US Citizens, if you are a Chinese citizen living in the US, attended a US University then return home sure you should be concerned and I do not condone the actions of China. However I am a Natural Born US Citizen, and I have no plans or desire to ever visit China, Russia, or even Europe

And lets be real here. FBI is not much different, and has more direct control over people in the US than the china bogey man you are attempting to peddle

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