So, will you refuse tetanus boosters as well? Flu shots? Malaria, et.al.?
This reluctance to accept medications that have proven to minimize the impact of deadly infections doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
This reluctance to accept medications that have proven to minimize the impact of deadly infections doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
As George Washington himself did.
Whose rights are greater?
No one's "rights are greater." This is a false dichotomy. Does the government have a right to force people to take the flu shot? No. If a flu came along that was so deadly that the government wanted to force people to get the flu shot, then the government would need to prove the necessity and the spread-prevention efficacy of that medical procedure.
If you're talking about the United States, this question has been settled at the federal level by the Supreme Court for over a century. At the state level, the first vaccine mandate was in 1809. Most states have vaccine mandates for children, many of them with only medical exemptions. It's legal. It's not some great infringement on your rights.
The fact that the treatment varies state by state shows that people do consider this to be a right worth retaining, and in high enough populations to hold sway over local Government up to the state level.
Yes, we live in an age of mass-indoctrination. If Fox News runs Anti-Food Safety segments 24/7 for months, we're probably going to have a few states that remove punishment/fines/laws for people who prepare food with shit on their hands. That doesn't mean that serving food with shit in it is an inalienable right.
Right, the Federal government does not have the right to force the public to take a shot, while states may. It may appear that public health is being run at the national level, but really the CDC issues recommendations and many states ignore these recommendations and replace them with their own. Public health is run by the states, but that doesn't mean the state can do whatever it wants. Each state has its own constitution, and its own state supreme court that verifies whether any mandate is lawful, so this is going to depend on the state constitution and local public health laws.
* Quarantines have been used since the middle ages and they were used against people showing symptoms or groups of people likely to have the disease. We haven't had quarantines with covid. We've shut down society as a whole.
Vaccines, even when not fully effective, greatly reduce the amount of virus you shed, and thus significantly reduce transmission.
Anecdotes are near-worthless, but I will share that my neighbor got covid. He was vaccinated and boosted. His wife and him felt sick, as did their infant (obviously not vaccinated), for two days. TWO DAYS ONLY. ...and their other two children never contracted it at all - tested negative twice each.
Getting vaccinated reduces disease severity AND transmission.
The Covid vaccines are fraudulent and more and more people are realising this. The CDC changing the definition of a vaccine from "providing immunity" to "increasing protection" just after Covid-vaccinated people started getting infected shows arm-in-arm corruption with big pharma.
Your 10th booster shot will kill you not save you.
It is very misleading to imply that only old people suffer from that as there are countless stories of “I have a 35 yold friend with no pre-existing conditions who’s fighting for their lives”. If it were only old people the hospital situations would look drastically different and we wouldn’t have capacity issues. We maybe are now better at saving those people than at the start of the pandemic but we’re not perfect yet.
Hopefully the COVID pills coming out to treat it are going to meaningfully reduce the outsized burden anti-vaxx people are putting on the health care system (overwhelmingly, if not even exclusively, the people ending up in hospital due to COVID are unvaccinated)
You can't say this about rare serious COVID cases but also point out that the plural of anecdote is not data when other people say similar things about rare serious vaccine side effects.
Those stories are breathlessly reported on because they are rare, 2.4% of Covid Deaths in the US are people under the age of 40[1] which is 50% of the US population, it's harder to find data but most of them had whom had other issues or were not direct covid deaths. Covid Risk goes up orders of magnitude by age [2].
[11 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investi...
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...
60-69 yolds had ~2k hospitalizations last week
50-59 yolds had 1.5k hospitalizations last week
40-49 yolds had 1k hospitalizations last week
30-39 yolds had ~1k hospitalizations last week
Thus we see each age range has roughly the same number of hospitalizations. Not sure how this correlates on a per capita basis although in this case it doesn't really matter since the healthcare system is a shared resource.
Why are hospitalizations important? At this point, you dying or having complications from a failure to vaccinate is thankfully mostly your own problem since vaccinations are supremely effective at preventing this regardless of the COVID strain from the looks of it. Overwhelming the medical system and placing an undue burden on it because of refusal to vaccinate is why we're still facing lockdowns due to spikes of variants. Hopefully with the new treatment pill and evolutionary direction Omicron is taking means we're on our way out of the pandemic.
Again, focusing on the mortality when a massive problem is overwhelming our shortstaffed medical system is myopic. 25% of hospitalizations result in an ICU visit [2].
> Patients who were hospitalized more recently with COVID-19 (April to June 2021) were younger (median age of 59 compared with 68) and experienced lower in-hospital death rates (10% compared with 18%) than those who were hospitalized between January 2020 and March 2021.
This indicates the old people are smartly getting vaccinated or dying off. But again, deaths is not the primary problem the unvaccinated have at this point. Primarily they form a reservoir for the virus to mutate and put burden the health care system.
[1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis... [2] https://www.cihi.ca/en/covid-19-hospitalization-and-emergenc...
32% of people 25-39 [2] aren't fully vaccinated, sure it would help some if they were but if you really wanted to solve the problem you'd address the large % of older groups that aren't vaccinated and are contributing to the majority of deaths & strain on the health system.
28% of people 40-49
21% of people 50-64
10% of people 65-74
15% of people 75+
[1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admis... [2] https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac...
https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
if Omicron is as mild as shown by the current data, you won't be able to show any kind of baseline difference between boosted and unboosted.
That's a massive if to base a health care system on.
Like, look at the incentives. If they over-react and Omicron is much less severe, people will be upset but they'll get over it.
If they under-react, and it turns out to be Delta-level with much more vaccine escape, that will be much, much worse.
And this is one of those un-reversable decisions beloved (or hated, I guess) by Jeff Bezos.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/malaria...
Dec: "The co-founder of BioNTech SE on Thursday joined the world's 500 richest people after the U.K. this week approved use of a Covid-19 vaccine that the German firm created with Pfizer Inc."
The flu shot (and many others) are required for some professions. Protection for the vulnerable they interact with.
Opinion: if you don’t want to protect the vulnerable in society, you should refrain from participating in it.
I have the COVID vaccine but that doesn't mean I am not concerned about potential long-term effects that we know nothing about. That, and the possibility of original antigenic sin [0] permanently screwing over our ability to mount an effective immune response to novel strains.
What justification is there for pushing a non-sterilizing vaccine, that doesn't prevent spread, on non-vulnerable populations?
What leads you to believe long-term effects are possible?
Its not some different product, its the same vaccine.
For young males, the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine may be comparable to that from the disease according to a UK study - until that’s clarified, booster mandates have no place in colleges.
Sudden cardiac arrest incidents increased in 2020 (vaccine was not officially realeased until Dec. 2020).[2]
I added the second link to show there may be a rise of cardiovascular disease not due to the vaccine. I'm interested in seeing data for 2021.
[1] https://www.who.int/news/item/26-05-2021-gacvs-myocarditis-r...
[2] https://www.heartrhythmjournal.com/article/S1547-5271(21)007...
monetary costs are not the only costs you pay
Why would I sicken myself for a few days with the next vaccine shot to marginally decrease the odds I will be sick for a few days from covid?
It's far too early to be sure though.