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I'm fascinated by North Korea.

I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it.

In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.

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> In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.

I think you're yourself falling for North Korea propaganda, the reality there is nothing childish:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slav...

I don't see the link between your article and propaganda. That seems unrelated.

NK propaganda is to portray themselves as "childish and fun" for the outsiders, so they won't look in the abuse they do at home.

A) No they don't B) That wasnt his point.

The Korea Future Initiative is unsurprisingly funded by NED, making this article propaganda indeed.

This is a fairly deceptive statement. The Korea Future Initiative received a grand total of $50,000 (about 16% of its total fundraising) in 2020 from the NED.

https://www.ned.org/region/asia/north-korea-2020/

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/chari...

I have read the article. Assuming it's true, from what I understand it's not NK government that do the trafficking but criminal gangs in China.

I fail to see any NK propaganda here.

Now if you wanted to say that I shouldn't take the situation there lightly, I get it, it's only funny on the surface.

It's amazing how every time an article like this comes up, somebody tries to equivocate it with the west.

It's not the same.

The difference is that if you go around in North Korea (or in China, these days) saying Dear Leader is clown, somebody shows up at your doorstep with guns. Here it's a national sport.

The difference is the people with guns. Ask Denise Ho.

And yet here we are in the USA with the most prisoners per capita of any country in the world. Turns out we have many people with guns here. The security forces in the US are well funded.

It's not for lack of trying.

>"We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west"

Do not flatter. It is quite visible and primitive.

Dude the fact you and him even accept the concept of "the west" is a testament to relentless and constant propaganda. That there is a unified front of "mostly white people" all sharing american values, guns and private prison alike.

Even China loves this idea of the western "box" they can put me, a French, in to associate all my ideas to every stupid american policies.

From Moscow to Los Angeles, everything west of China is divided, subtle and different. There is no west and therefore no western propaganda.

And I d say the american propaganda seems to work better than the French one. Where we try convince there is diversity, all you say is that "western propaganda is primitive" :(

“Western” is a shortcut for the dominant alliance of imperialist countries: US, UK, most of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Materially also Israel and Japan, but rarely in rhetoric.

The concept is used both to critique the imperialist countries and to strengthen their alliance, by different people.

Rather odd to describe Canada and New Zealand as imperialist. How far do their empires extend?

Canadian finance capital own a great deal of the worldwide mining operations, if not a majority by now. They extract a great deal of value from poor countries through unequal exchange.

New Zealand is a less prolific exporter of capital, but does it all the same.

There IS a more or less common understanding about what "Western" in the context mean. You want to waste time arguing semantics - be my guest. I have zero desire.

It's very much sophisticated, it has several layers. What you call primitive are only the first layers.

Big brother, is that you?

We’re just brainwashed to support a capitalist system rather than a communist one. We only don’t see the propaganda because we’ve been subjected to it since birth.

The fact that Elon Musk has fanboys should tell you all you need to know.

> We only don’t see the propaganda because we’ve been subjected to it since birth.

That's precisely the joke here.

>> We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it

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