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Half right, half wrong. Lifting weights in isolation is useful but not particularly. However lifting weights with some exercise for careful movement control like Tai Chi is the best combo. Tai Chi just by itself is useful but without some alternate workouts, its doesn't help cardiovascular stamina and normally low load muscles like the biceps. However, given a choice between just Tai Chi and just weight lifting, I would choose Tai Chi any day.

The weakest part of the body is bullshit. The strongest parts are the bones but that because they are structural elements and nothing else. The most you can do with bones is stand upright (and even that only after very careful balancing). If you want to actually do anything, you need muscles. Furthermore, bones can not apply any force without muscles. Even in soft martial arts like Tai Chi which use the weight of the entire body, muscles are needed for control. Furthermore, even in Tai Chi, strong laterals and abs are an absolute must because all movement stems from the hips and is supported by the thighs. Without these two, you are screwed.

Lastly, while Tai Chi works on integrating the control of the entire body, it also tries to make the user aware of all the individual muscles in their body.

Out of all the elements I mentioned, muscles are the weakest, which you don't counter except to acknowledge. So not a bullshit thought.

You only need the muscles to position the body. Structure and grounding toward the earth is the source of strength, not actual muscle exertion. If you can properly use your body you will not need the muscles for more than position, not resistance.

Real speed and strength comes from complete relaxation and not tension, which weight lifting only promotes.

The problem, in my eyes, of current weightlifters, is that they believe that they are healthy because they can lift certain weights under certain conditions. Move to a different context and that "strength" does no good and generally is a detriment both to coordination and to speed.

Let me add that this is from a martial artist perspective. Of course muscles are needed to do work like climb a mountain or such, but your are better at growth trying to climb that mountain than some form of gym weightlifting activity.

"I was a college football player and could put 375lb above my head, squat over 500lb and bench press 225lb over 30 times."

and then

"Real speed and strength comes from complete relaxation and not tension, which weight lifting only promotes."

May we assume, then, that now that you don't lift weights, you can squat and bench more? No? Maybe it isn't a good idea to use "strength" to mean something other than what everyone else means by it.

I cannot squat nearly as much nor bench nearly as much, but if that is you metric of health I will point you to several power lifters that died an early death.

The strength I am referring is the strength of the "climb a mountain" type or the "move from point A to point B in the most economical way" kind or the "take on an adversary much stronger than myself" kind.

On the speed side, for example, weightlifting, as it is popularly promoted, slows down the body. The biceps and the triceps work against each other and unless you can properly relax the countering muscle your intentions will be dampened. Weightlifting generally promotes tension in all muscles, thus a general slowing down.

Those power lifters probably did a lot of anabolic steroids.

I am sure all the top sprinters in the world would agree. They never do weights, or use drugs to make them stronger. Olympic weightlifters aren't faster over a short distance than most sprinters, nor are bobsledders. Most bobsledders are weak and slow, barely able to lift .... if you go to pubmed, you won't find research showing an increase in speed entirely due to weightlifting routines.

/end sarcasm.

"if that is you metric of health"

You were previously talking about "strength" rather than "health". At least, you used the word "strength," so I assumed that was what you meant. If you meant to be talking about general health, then that's very different, and I don't have much to say on it. :)

Nonsense. I started climbing mountains not long ago, and, having lifted weights for many years, was able to go further and faster than most experienced climbers. (Though of course in mountaineering your brain is more important than your legs.) Same with skiing, trail running, backpacking... strength helps with everything.

Your biceps and triceps must work against each other or you will have no control over what you're doing.

Sounds like you've fallen under the influence of quacks.

"Real speed and strength comes from complete relaxation and not tension, which weight lifting only promotes."

The fastest man in the world, Usain Bolt, uses weight lifting as part of his training routine - as do elite athletes in almost all sports (with a particularly important role in those requiring high levels of strength and speed).

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