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I honestly thought this attitude had died out with everything being Vue and React and all that

I used Huel's site earlier and it even had a splash overlay saying what it was loading, it was one reticulating splines away from being The Sims

Edit: ah it was posted in 2016, I don't think anyone (but do wish) cares about limiting their JS usage anymore

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I care! As in the article - I really appreciate the benefits of JS when it's used in useful, tactful ways. But re-implementing a LINK, or a TEXTBOX, or a SCROLLBAR? That's super-duper irritating, and a horrible UX. I hate it. And I hate loading 1GB of JS just so websites can monitor what I'm doing and serve me targeted ads. It really sucks.

i care, plenty of other people care.

Well then I dunno where they hang out cause it doesn't appear to be on HN anymore

Huh, I'd given up on disabling JS because reddit required it to reply to posts, and I'd assumed HN does too. Turns out HN doesn't. Thanks for providing the impetus to check (I'd expected to say something like "well the site doesn't work without JS, so I guess they didn't stick around" but wanted to check first), I deleted my reddit account a while ago and it turns out that was the only thing keeping me tied to JS.

I really am not a fan of JS for all of the reasons that have been retread a million times over the years, but honestly the war is long lost and I don't really see the need to annoy people about it anymore.

I think there are a fair number of JavaScript devs who really don't appreciate being told that they are on the same ethical plane as, e.g. cigarette designers, which is pretty understandable even if one does think that JavaScript is basically cancer (a position I would not take myself: I think it's more akin to sugar: good or at least neutral in very small amounts). No-one wants to be told that the way he earns a living is fundamentally wrong.

Or, in the words of Upton Sinclair, 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

Calling it a cancer is a bit much. I'm just wondering where all the progressive enhancement types went.

Also lol I've been Upton'd https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27771186

10 other people upvoted my 'i care' comment; they are here on HN, lurking

They kind of are hanging out on HN, given that a story in such a spirit is being upvoted into the front page once a week or two, but they also seem a bit bipolar in that they swing between wanting to use the internet ascetically and defending the "web is your new OS and TV and it's a good thing!" attitude because they do it for a living, and that 150k is a 150k after all.

Different people have different opinions, let's make 2022 the year we move away from grouping vaguely related people then calling the group inconsistent

I've also not seen any recently aside from the one we're in (published 2016), what was the most recent one you recall seeing outside this?

E: just realising this comes off a bit snarky after the group quip, apologies. Asking out of legitimate interest not as a gotcha or anything.

At this point I've just given up worrying about it thinking it's an outdated opinion and I've not seen much recently to inform it in any direction other than towards JS support being expected

All those yearnings for "the old web", I can amend it to "once every couple weeks". Here's a recent one:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29661935 (This page is designed to last, 5 days ago)

HN is also my procrastination tool of choice, so it might be I can see articles and manifestos urging for the return to the glory of blogosphere and web 1.0 before they sink down into oblivion.

It's like you may grow an impression that on HN, there are always endless debates about notetaking in software and paper. Sure they are there. There's good stuff, too, at least every other day.

A very good and recent website for learning about Swift do not have a single line of JS :) https://www.swiftbysundell.com Some people still do care! Admittedly not a lot though.

We’ve been migrating our React front end code to Phoenix’s LiveView for any client-side code that requires server interactions, and use AlpineJS for client code that doesn’t. So far, we’ve been really happy with it.

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