Privacy-focused search engine DuckDuckGo grew by 46% in 2021
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I like duckduckgo’s interface and I feel they genuinely put a lot of effort to ensure people have a great experience using their search engine.
Whether its their !bang feature or integration with apple maps or their various themes. (Heck even their no js, search engine option is very cool too).
In terms of quality of links and interesting content, i havent come across a search engine better then marginalia[0] for that. But then i search for weird stuff, so who knows.
Ditto, I just want something that isn't Google. That company has too many fingers in too many pies.
DuckDuckGo isn't more private. That is like when Google was serious about the Don't Be Evil slogan - there is nothing technically stopping them and sooner or later principles get worn down by reality (commercial, political or otherwise).
They are sincere today. Great, thanks. But there is nothing here to guarantee what they'll do in the future. I argue that people should use DuckDuckGo. But privacy combined with a public, ad-funded, search engine is just an unreasonable expectation. Anyone looking for that will be disappointed. But they are smaller and more focused - both of which are good if you want to be strategic about data leaking out.
I assume as a user of DDG that they aren't collecting data on me. However back when Google was following their motto and young, they WERE still collecting data, weren't they?
If that's true (IF) then that would make this an unfair comparison. If DDG eventually erodes their morals and stops caring about privacy then I could just stop using them and they would have no historic data on me.
That aside though, what is your alternative? Yes they may in the future collect data but they certainly don't right now, so why not use them now while they don't rather than giving in and just using Google and accepting the surveillance?
That user sounds like they do use DDG but are cautious about how their business model may change in the future. They even think more people should be using it:
>I argue that people should use DuckDuckGo.
They're just advocating for awareness. If anything, their stance is what all of us who regularly use DDG should take, so that DDG is aware that their userbase would be likely to seek other alternatives should they change their ways. It keeps the pressure on them to "do right".
Yeah, it seems like DDG is the only one that has any decent customization options.
Custom theming is nice but not mandatory for me, the biggest ones for me are Center Alignment and Page Width set to Wide. It's not 1995 anymore, we have wide screens and having the search results showed in to one side of the screen while the other half is mostly empty looks awful. And I think it would be pretty easy to implement those few settings, especially for Google but it's not like they care, it took them over 20 years to implement dark mode.
But then I favor narrow-strip-of-text style web design too. I find it really hard to read long lines of text. I want 65-80 characters at most, like you'd find in a book.
That said, I wouldn’t trade better results to lose the benefit of increased privacy.
I also use PI Hole to block tracking at the network level, use UBlock Origin at the browser level, and use Mozilla containers on Firefox to silo my social media accounts so they can’t track my browsing as easily.
Most people don’t do these things.
Privacy is one thing, security is another. Lots of script kids out there, but it's the state hackers you need to worry about. Most of their targets are PEPs, journalists, defense contractors etc.
Very rare for anyone to care otherwise as the normal persons privacy and security are not worth much.
If I need a product review I use YouTube or Reddit search.
I increasingly use Github search for code.
I use Google Maps for restaurant or store location/hours, then go to the linked website from there.
I use wiki search (Firefox prefix) to find quick information on a topic.
I use imdb search (Firefox prefix) for movies/show information.
And so on.
Ten years ago my internet experience would start from Google Search, now its a lot more diverse.
I also just want a browser plugin to "wrap" "my" "google" "query" "in" "quotes", because that's apparently the only way to get good search results these days.
I like the convenience of those Google quick answer box excerpts. And DDG is TERRIBLE for anything remotely regional, and I don't expect it to be fixed anytime in the next decade because I currently live in what's technically a third-world country, so I doubt they'll allocate any resources towards fixing it.
Essentially at this point I only use DDG for the bangs. !g for web search, and others for everything else.
Yes, Google search results have been getting worse. But in my experience, they're still better than anything else out there.
Has anyone else had a similar experience?
And it's not about regional searches but searches in english about general stuff like programming problems that seem to return something very loosely related or a lot of pages in chinese. I paste the same query in StartPage and I get all the answers so I'm testing StartPage as the default for now even though I don't like SP's UI as much as DDG's.
I switched to DDG on all my devices but when searching for regional(greek) stuff, the results are bad.
Frankly, the results are bad. Always have been for me. If it's still powered by bing, that would explain it because it assumes everyone is somewhere in North America. Still beats having to deal with Google, though
The problem is even if 90% of the time the results are good enough on ddg, wondering if I'm missing out on a better result causes me to do a !g google search almost every time I'm searching for something non trivial. And doing two searches for each query gets old after a while.
I'll switch to DDG as soon as they have it.
It really doesn't. The country selector is right below the tabs (All, Images, Videos, etc). Click the toggle and select a country.
With Google, that country selector _used to_ return websites located in the specified country (now not so much), but with ddg those results are mixed up with sites from nearby countries or countries that speak the same language.
[1] https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...
I don't know how they advertise in other media but clearly, there is a serious marketing campaign going on, and it looks successful. That can explain the growth.
https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/company/ad...
Perhaps Bing’s lack of market share is what is more surprising but should not be. Duck Duck Go’s share makes sense. And for Yandex to round out the top 6 at 0.08%. A decade ago AOL and Ask.com still had some relevancy.
Also, I wonder if there are any countries outside Russia, Belarus, Turkey, South Korea (technically North Korea too), Japan, and China, where Google doesn’t have at least 80% market share. Or another search engine with at least 5% market share like Vietnam just getting to that.
Probably won’t happen unless/until Google angers enough legislators, so for now I’m trying Neeva. The iOS browser is still very much Beta quality, but the search experience has been pretty good.
Not seeing ads has been refreshing, but I wish there was a way to say “don’t show this website in search results” and sync that across devices. Even better, let users vote on what’s relevant and high-quality, rather than let websites play the SEO game.
when you consider how many websites exists, those general terms dont take much to work out, plus its mainly powered by Bing so Bing needs to know what you are searching in order to deliver the right results.
Really surprised people on here thought DDG was private though.
Bing's API requires you provide them with an IP address and results are personalized to that address. Because DDG shows the same results to everybody, I assume they have a special deal with DDG and no PII is being sent to Bing.
Disclaimer: I run https://okeano.com, a private search engine.
Not according to the console view (F12) for images in the browser. You can also verify this with your firewall and dns lookups.
>Disclaimer: I run https://okeano.com, a private search engine.
Also uses bing.net, mm.bing.net for safe search and explicit.bing.net for not safe search, but with a GUID linked to every image it pulls in, so there is still traceability and thus accountability, ergo its not private.
https://external.okeano.com/1e08822804ae14da3a8841c6e0b7cbf2...
I've also noticed there are times when cookies are not cleared on exit with some websites despite browser settings being set to clear cookies on exit. Theres alot more surveillance going on under the hood in the chromium browsers than meets the eye.
Anyway it doesnt matter this thread has been bunked off the first page so sheeple wont wake up.
Are you talking about the DDG browser? On the website, icos and other external content is proxied.
> Also uses bing.net, mm.bing.net for safe search and explicit.bing.net for not safe search, but with a GUID linked to every image it pulls in, so there is still traceability and thus accountability, ergo its not private.
We (Okeano) don't send any PII to Bing.
In MS Edge they appear as separate external links pulled in to the webpage. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=some+query Press F12 Application Tab Frames, Expand Images and you can see the icons there.
>We (Okeano) don't send any PII to Bing.
What do you mean by PII? On its own its a jigsaw piece, with other jigsaw pieces you can build a picture. This is where the law, the words, are vague and open to interpretation. Its possible to assemble jigsaw pieces using metadata.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something. How would you rather have the favicons (or any images) displayed? Not at all?
Disclaimer: I work on Neeva :)
See the FAQ for more details (https://neeva.com/faq), but the main takeaway is data saved by Neeva is only to improve the product for you and you have the option to clear or disable such functionality. Neeva is just really transparent about that.
Neeva is a tool for you and no one else. Products that show you ads can’t make such claims.
I signed myself up but got put in a queue since I'm Swedish. Could I trick your system with a VPN maybe?
Neeva is a paid product.
I’ve enjoyed using Neeva, but not having the ability to make it the default engine in iOS/macOS (Safari) has made it cumbersome to use.
See this help article: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...
Source?
I’m not 100% sure it’s google but yeah, it happens often.
I’ve had it happen before in searches where I’ll see something and can’t find it on google, but can easily find it on DuckDuckGo.
Idk here’s something for you: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/09/the-good-censor-le...
There are leaked slides showing the intent to censor. Not sure if this is “reputable” enough, but there is something.
The fact that Breitbart is your first choice says plenty.
Anyway, this was the first hit on DuckDuckGo related to google censorship. It was the first “choice” that a different engine presented me — kinda shows the problem with the political hostilities, no?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/googles-search-leaves-users-d...
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-manipulates-search-re...
Sorry if you need Google to help you with this. You'll probably see 5 pages of ads, old sites, and spam before you see the wacky conspiracy stuff like flat earth and Russiagate.
Uh, yes? It's an internet search engine, it's literally its job.
https://news.yahoo.com/york-times-quietly-deletes-claim-0218...
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/02/politics/hunter-biden-laptop/...
https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con...
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Rep...
One Hillary Clinton’s campaign attorneys have been charged in connection to creating the Steele dossier (lying to the fbi and falsifying records).
https://nypost.com/2021/09/16/fresh-proof-russiagate-scandal...
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/icymi-th...
Senate Interview notes: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/February%209,...
Plot against the president, is a decent documentary on the subject - https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12734800/
The covid stuff I guess we can wait for, but there’s a lot of evidence out there on that as well. In either case, not lies and definitely should be searchable.
Ugh, hunter Biden laptop is indeed completely acknowledged fact at this point by all sides
https://news.yahoo.com/york-times-quietly-deletes-claim-0218...
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/02/politics/hunter-biden-laptop/...
https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con...
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Rep...
One Hillary Clinton’s campaign attorneys have been charged in connection to creating the Steele dossier (lying to the fbi and falsifying records).
https://nypost.com/2021/09/16/fresh-proof-russiagate-scandal...
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/icymi-th...
Senate Interview notes: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/February%209,...
Plot against the president, is a decent documentary on the subject - https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12734800/
The covid stuff I guess we can wait for, but there’s a lot of evidence out there on that as well. In either case, not lies and definitely should be searchable.
Sex sites, tv streams, torrent sites.
They censor free ebook sites.
They censor 8kun the offshoot of 8chan.
Anti-Covid information..
Their news offerings are politically weighted.