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I’m not sure it’s a valid comparison, because no other country is even remotely comparable in aggressiveness with USA. What if you compared with eg India instead?

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If we are talking about China-India equations, they are troubled too. China claims vast swathes of land all along the Himalayas, including two Indian states (as being part of ancient Southern Tibet). It is interesting that China recognizes claims only unilaterally, as any territory in dispute on Chinese side is immediately shut off from the discussion.

India & China are in middle of a military standoff, which began in 2020 summer, about border lines [1]. It has seen one of the most massive buildups since 1962 Sino-Indian war

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%...

So, how many people died in that conflict?

Because, frankly, I don’t give a damn about oil or territorial claims. That’s just politics. People’s lives - that’s what matters.

About 40 Chinese soldiers from unofficial sources, CIA reports etc, & ~20 soldiers on the Indian side. India seems to be more transparent on casualties here as the list of dead soldiers has been published in their newspapers/gazettes after the skirmishes in 2020. This information is better explained on Wikipedia.

Even small skirmishes have downstream impact indirectly. In India’s case, they often decide the poll results as tensions run high.

Similar to how small-terrorist attacks (with small number of deaths) can result in huge policy changes that change countries forever.

If you look at Russia's invasion of Georgia and Ukraine, they are at least "remotely comparable".

Couple of thousands dead (Ukraine) vs one million dead (Middle East); I’d say that’s quite a difference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

What about the 7-14 million Ukrainians Russia starved to death, do they count? Sure it happened a while ago but it happened and it was Russian aggressiveness that still reverberates today. Your attitude dismisses you from any and all future discussions on this matter. You have demonstrated that your are unfit to comment.

What about all the natives slain by Americans, and then the slavery? How about racist laws designed to get the black population into prisons (largely successfully)? What about people dying, because money that would normally be used to fund healthcare are being wasted on invading other counties instead?

So, I’d say it makes sense to focus on the current state of affairs, including recent history. War in Georgia is recent history, as is the Middle East. Holodomor, American concentration camps for Japanese, or apartheid - not so much.

Not to mention that people responsible for Holodomor are all dead. People responsible for killing million random civilians in the Middle East are living very comfortable lives, and their fellow citizens don’t even consider them criminals.

You don’t decide what is relevant. Ukraine has not forgotten and it is clear which side they have chosen now. No country in the world has such bad relations with it’s neighbours than Russia.

Oh, American natives didn’t forget either, same way the Chinese never forgot about Japan and Russians about Nazis, but it doesn’t change the fact it’s all ancient history.

Also, don’t get me wrong, but Ukraine doesn’t exactly have good relations with USA either. Remember how twenty years ago they promised you protection if you give up your nuclear weapons? They screwed your over. Now they are denying you NATO membership, for the same reason. They are really good at propaganda though.

Ukraine needs protection against whom?

Is that a trick question? Who invaded it last time?

Russia. 2014.

Maybe you should follow your own advice - your numbers are wildly inflated (can easily be checked at Wikipedia), Ukrainians weren't the only ones in USSR who were starving to death and they were part of USSR leadership as any other nation there (with Stalin being Georgian). And frankly, idea that you're going to judge who is fit to comment is highly delusional.

The USSR was pretty much Russian imperialism. Russia is still very unpopular in eastern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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