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Can you give some examples on why you think Windows XP is better than macOS and also how macOS is crap?

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- Finder

- Applications not actually being terminated when clicking on the close icon

- lagging / unreliable context menu opening with middle-index-finger on apps in dock bar

- the concept of installing something by moving it from an icon on the left to an icon on the right

- or when you can't start apps due to connectivity issues

- app removal is totally opaque and sometimes requires to download a custom uninstallation tool (adobe creative cloud f.x.)

I find finder more productive than explorer.

I love the fact that clicking the close icon of a window doesn’t terminate the application

Haven’t experienced this, not sure what you are referring to.

Also something I like. The fact that an installation is just moving an executable, is to me, superior to an entire process with regedit and what not.

As I said somewhere below, it might just come down to what one is used to and not objective facts.

> I love the fact that clicking the close icon of a window doesn’t terminate the application

what is the difference then between closing and minimizing?

I minimise when I want to get the content, fx a VS code workspace, out of the way to retrieve it later.

Close is when I am done with that particular window/workspace.

Command+Q is when I’m done working in VS code entirely.

> what is the difference then between closing and minimizing?

Closing is putting away, as in “I don’t think I’ll need it in the near future”, and minimising is putting aside as in “I’ll probably come back to this in 5 minutes”. The minimised window is not cluttering the screen but still accessible from the dock and list of open windows in its application. This is not related to the problem you claimed to have with an application being still open without having a single window.

Huh? These just sound like grievances that a user used to Windows will have when moving from Windows to macOS, but at that point it's about what you're used to, not what is inherently bad about the design.

Explorer is much worse (drives? Still can't really understand Windows file systems to this day). Sending an app to Applications/wastebin for install/uninstall is (arguable) more visually intuitive for a layperson than an install/uninstall script that most people just click "Next" without reading any of the instructions. The concept of applications having multiple windows is an OS-level thing to get used to.

Windows conflates windows and applications, macOS doesn’t. It’s a mental model thing, I personally like the Mac version better — closing the last window doesn’t have a special case behaviour, and it plays nicer with things like Spotify or Discord that you want running continuously and don’t want to close the whole application inadvertently.

Not sure what you mean about lagging context menu?

- There is a both a three-finger-click action and a "hard" click action on the touchpad, both of these can't be set to do a "middle click". You have to buy an app in order to be able to middle click with your mouse! (To open links in new tab or close tabs) - Trying to tweak small problems like the one above often leads to things that look like a great solution but 9 out of 10 are github repos that have not been updated in 10 years and don't work anymore - The recommended way of using only your external display (if you still want to use the keyboard and touchpad) is to mirror the displays and then set the screen brightness to zero

But when I was on Windows I was even more unhappy. I wish Linux had first-class support by more apps.

>app removal is totally opaque and sometimes requires to download a custom uninstallation tool (adobe creative cloud f.x.)

I mean, maybe, but you're comparing it with Windows that never had anything other than custom uninstallers that leave garbage all over your file system. Windows is 10x worse here.

MacOS and its applications relegate far too much functionality to hidden "power tools." Often its impossible to know what is clickable in macOS.

Windows XP features were easy to discover. Scroll bars were not hidden. Buttons looked like buttons.

Command vs. ALT/CTRL bindings are vastly superior in Windows. The MacOS method of using the Command button is different for the sake of being different, not for any actual productive reason.

I had the first Macbook Retina and used it for years at a company where it made sense to do so; when I handed it in and left for my own startup life, I was open to either OS (couldn't use Linux as the daily driver since I my industry uses a lot of Windows-only programs), and Windows was just far more productive to use on a regular basis. The only thing I miss is Final Cut Pro, and Sublime Text to some degree (VS Code has been an adequate replacement).

LOL.

Not at all. Mac keyboard shortcuts are explicitly more reachable than its Windows counterparts. Try reaching alt+f4 versus command+w/q. Also macOS incorporates more keyboard shortcuts than any other OS.

You will need to elaborate more on this one.

It’s funny how different it can be for different people.

I switch regularly between macOS and Fedora, and have windows on a ssd for gaming. I agree on the Command vs. CTRL bindings thing. It’s annoying when switching between the two systems.

I recently wanted to pick up unity, and decided to try it on windows. I have to say, as strongly as you find macOS annoying I find windows annoying. Fx system settings, for some reason when I have to change something it takes me ages to navigate through the UI to find what I’m looking for. But maybe it’s all just personal preference and what one is used to.

> The MacOS method of using the Command button is different for the sake of being different, not for any actual productive reason.

I’m actually pretty sure the Mac’s Command key predates ctrl being used for this purpose.

> Command vs. ALT/CTRL bindings are vastly superior in Windows. The MacOS method of using the Command button is different for the sake of being different, not for any actual productive reason.

Command is much more accessible as part of a shortcut than control. Also, alt is much more useful as a composition key than as a pseudo-control key. And seriously, who in their right mind believes that things like alt-F4 are a good idea? The way Windows shortcuts work is particularly idiosyncratic and makes sense only as an historical oddity from way back when DOS had to coexist with Windows.

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