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Now if they would only deliver mine, 100 days and counting since I ordered it. Price has gone up $5K since I ordered (I'm locked in but can't change anything)...

Estimated delivery window: 1/6/22-2/3/22

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If that's of any consolation, a friend of mine ordered a Volvo XC 60 now (mid December 2021), and heard they expect the delivery to be in August 2022. 9 months from now.

Could be worse. My buddy ordered a basic trim Jeep Wrangler. Was supposed to get it in September then didn’t hear anything. 2 weeks ago he went to the dealership to find out his order was cancelled by the factory and had to fight his way up 3 levels of managers until they told him and gave him his money back for the deposit.

Insanity.

I feel truly lucky to have bought a car in Oct 2020. I dream of selling it for that sweet above-what-I-paid price point... but these stories help sober me up

Odd question: would you need to report (and pay tax on) the capital gains if you did sell the car for more than you paid for after buying it 12 months prior?

Apparently yes, I guess its no different from selling a home: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/personaluseproperty.asp....

"KEY TAKEAWAYS Personal use property is used for personal enjoyment as opposed to business or investment purposes. These may include personally-owned cars, homes, appliances, apparel, food items, and so on."

"Technically, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) considers personal use property a capital asset and treats it differently than other types of property or assets.2 Taxpayers cannot deduct losses on the sale of personal use property, while a gain on the sale of such property is subject to taxation.3"

> I feel truly lucky to have bought a car in Oct 2020. I dream of selling it for that sweet above-what-I-paid price point... but these stories help sober me up

Similar story. Bought a specific car that felt like it was already at the bottom of its depreciation curve October 2020, and nine months later, other dealers offered me 26% more than I paid for it.

I'm thankful.

To chime in on the pity party; ordered a Ford Mustang Mach E at the start of April 2021. Original estimate was 3 months to delivery. Currently the delivery estimate is 10 months, but no one seems to be able to tell if that's real or not.

At current pace, ford will produce around 64k ME annually when they reach a year of full production. That is about 1/5th of Tesla's 2020 US production.

Meanwhile Tesla's Texas model Y factory is about to open and add another 500k to their annual capacity.

If demand is similar for both cars, I think you will be driving a Tesla sooner.

Mach E manufacturing is a joke. They recall all cars produced until summer because roof fell off. Right now they stop sales because of seat-bells. They have door opening issues all the time(check youtube).

Ford's overall EV production in their only Mexico plant in 2021 will be ~40k. While Tesla added Giga Berlin in Giga Texas in January, that pushes their production capacity to 2 millions/year. 2022 probably will be 1.4-1.5m tough.

Buying EV from Ford nowadays is like buying a car from a small startup. Even Rivian and Lucid will beat them in 1-2 years lol

The problem with form they don't make money on these EV's for them it's an experiment you're paying for. They makes production artificially low since they don't know what to do with EV's. Electric F150 planned volume is also a joke.

Good luck waiting for your car.

It's just amazing how big a knee in the demand curve there was. I ordered mine in April and got it in eight weeks, which seemed like an impossible wait at the time. Now I feel like an old timer.

And it's not like production got stymied, Tesla's producing 70% more cars now than they were a year ago and they're still sold out for 6-12 months.

In fairness, I understand that every car manufacturer is going through the same supply and delivery delays.

I would also seriously hope that they aren't going to charge you the new, elevated price.

It is locked in, but I can't change anything or else that would reset to current price

Tesla's increasing production rapidly, actually. This is absolutely a demand thing, supply is growing.

Count yourself lucky most models and configurations are back ordered a year out

With a date that soon, you must have ordered the Performance, right?

I ordered a non-Performance Model Y LR late October and the delivery estimate was May. Then it moved to June. Then three days ago, I got notice it's ready for delivery and they want to deliver between Christmas and the end of the year.

I'm planning to go through with it, but I'll be looking at it closely. I guess I'm hoping it's one that someone rejected just to try and get the BBB tax credit next year that may or may not be actually happening. It'll be a little disappointing if I jump through all these hoops only to find clear issues that led to a rejection.

MYLR, just a few months back the wait wasn't as long as it is now

For what it’s worth, I ordered my Y in August and it shipped in late November. During that time, the estimated delivery date bounced around a lot, going as far back as February and then it abruptly jumped back to late November (the jump happened in mid November).

It’s a great car; my only qualm is that they didn’t have enough parts so they delivered mine without a USB hub or wireless phone charging function—all well and good, better than delaying the delivery; however, the fact that this was either not caught by Tesla’s inspection team or not reported is fairly disappointing.

I ordered a Ford Transit van back in May 2021. They're currently scheduled to start building them in January. No idea when the delivery will be.

Out of stock is the main headwind for my side project https://app.electrade.app (trying to simplify the EV leasing process). Everything's out of stock. Always.

High gas prices are tailwinds though, so hopefully things will pick up when supply chains catch up. Also, all cars are facing delivery issues, so it's not only EVs :)

They must be becoming mainstream now. I bought my 2019 by walking in off the street when I saw a batch show up at the local showroom. Same day, had to wait for prep but picked it up that afternoon like three hours after I put the order in online.

Model X takes one and half years if you place your order today, so I consider you lucky.

Hope you get it soon! I assume its a standard range if its taking that long. Got my performance is less than 30 days.

Yes its a long range, they are optimizing for profit where MYP > MYLR and if your car has Full Self Driving (+$10K margin basically) they seem to be delivering those first per threads on tesla motors club.

Sounds about right. It will be worth it when you do. Amazing car. Very happy. Especially if you're a techie.

My wife ordered a sprinter van 9months ago. Was built in September, got stuck on a parts hood and still isn’t here.

oh, it arrived today. nuts

> gone up $5K since I ordered (I'm locked in but can't change anything)

Lol what? Could they increase the price by 100k and there would be nothing you could do about it you're locked in to pay?

"locked in" suggests "locked in at original price"

yes, this

The way I read that is that they have their price locked in(The price they are paying is 5k less the current asking price) but they are unable to make any changes to their order: trim level, battery range, etc.

>1/6/21-2/3/21

Do you mean 2022?

haha yes, sometimes it feels like its still 2020

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