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Because it is your job? Plenty of people deal with managers who don't heed their advice, they don't get to opt-out of working.

Even if a DA refuses to prosecute anyone, police could also still work to prevent crime in the first place, no?

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The other option is to either take early retirement, or quit and go work somewhere else. As many SFPD officers have done.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/06/24/san-francisco-g...

"Because it is your job?"

Imagine I worked at a pizza shop and was getting $10 per hour to make pizzas. Every pizza I make my boss throws into the dumpster. My boss refuses to talk with me. The boss publicly tweets: he doesn't believe in pizza. This goes on for 12 weeks. It gets pretty hard to go to work and make pizzas.

Well you should quit that job in that case.

Unless you are really attached to those sweet pensions, overtime and other union perks that your "pizza shop" job provides. At taxpayer cost.

Don't forget qualified immunity and lost lawsuits created by your own doing don't come out of your budget or pension.

I think most of this can be fixed with a little accountability; the same everyone else is subject to.

==$10 per hour==

Is that really comparable to a police office in SFPD? "San Francisco offers excellent benefits and the current starting salary is $92,560 per year. After seven years of service, a Police Officer may earn up to $139,152 per year. You will receive comprehensive training, at your full starting salary." [1]

==This goes on for 12 weeks==

This seems like hyperbole. Has nobody been prosecuted in San Francisco for 12 weeks? Does a prosecution after-the-fact stop a crime from happening?

[1] https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/careers/sworn-j...

HUD defined “Low Income Limits” in San Francisco as $82,200 for an individual and $117,400 for a family of four. So you are a little above poverty. I think $10 an hour works.

"This goes on for 12 weeks" i just make up some time not related ;)

==I think $10 an hour works.==

$10/hr is the equivalent to $20k a year. SFPD officers make 4-6X that number. Then we can add the health benefits and pension contributions that your "Low Income Limits" don't measure. Not to mention the slight of hand where you turned it into a family of 4 to make the math look better.

==i just make up some time not related=

Another made up number. Making up numbers from thin air doesn't create a legitimate comparison for actual data.

Why do you care about what happens to the pizzas? You’re getting paid the same.

Personally, I'd do the same thing as the cops if I were in the situation you describe: do nothing and rake in the moolah, and if anyone has a problem with that, pretend it's someone else's fault.

The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves due to a cargo culting 'social democrat' political climate that was openly hostile to them. Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves in an increasingly lawless bay area environment. This has reached crisis level and the subtleties of community policing vs law enforcement, and restorative justice experiments have been blown to smithereens by ham fisted, tone deaf ideologues such as DA Boudin. It will take decades to recover from this and is a societal disaster IMO, especially those who are most vulnerable.

==The SFPD were defunded==

Citation please. How much money was taken away and where was it put?

==especially those who are most vulnerable.==

Am I to believe that the staff who fled the department because they disagreed with the politics are now deeply concerned about the "most vulnerable"? Seems the best way to help them would be to focus away from after-the-fact prosecution and instead on community outreach.

not hard to find information online about this https://www.audacy.com/kcbsradio/news/local/san-francisco-po...

etc etc

That articles is about staffing shortages because people retired, not about "de-funding".

> The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves due to a cargo culting 'social democrat' political climate that was openly hostile to them.

Citation needed.

Seriously. NO ONE has been defunded anywhere in the country.

https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-th...

> The SFPD were defunded, staff left in droves

You got a citation on this? Because even my city is "defunding the police" because of a budget shortage. And defunding other city services for the same reason. Police leaving in droves, according to Fox News turned out to be 90% retirement.

> Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves

Okay, Tucker Carlson, sure ;-)

https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/1471918546812690434 Mayor Breed just declared a state of emergency in the Tenderloin regarding the open drug scene there.

This is still not the "de-funding" you promised us.

I didn't 'promise' anything, what do you mean? Who is 'us'?

Regarding defunding, a very quick google search will give you the information you're looking for assuming you are in the USA.

Separately there has been attrition at the SFPD due to people taking early retirement or moving to easier policing jobs elsewhere.

https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-budget-announcement-defun...

"The mayor also highlighted other changes in 2020-21 and 2021-22 budgets, designed to deal with a $1.5 billion shortfall amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic."

Your first comment:

==The SFPD were defunded==

You have not provided any evidence of this claim, attrition is not "de-funding".

I appreciate the link for the article on a proposed budget. I did some google searching (as you suggested) and found some more updated information. The budget has gone up 50% over 10 years, hardly de-funded.

"For the proposed 2021-22 budget, the San Francisco Police Department’s allocation will decrease by $6 million, from about $668 million to $661 million. Those cuts can nearly all be attributed to decreased demand for police at the airport. However, in the following fiscal year, the city projects the police budget will increase once again to $689 million. That’s close to the police budget’s all-time high of $692 million in FY 2019-20. By way of comparison, in FY 2010-11, the police budget weighed in at $445 million."

https://www.sfweekly.com/news/is-san-francisco-re-funding-th...

>Cops are one wrong move away from being in jail themselves

So what, I'm one wrong move away from being in jail. Everyone is. That's how law works.

unless the DA only decides to prosecute cases he feels are important, as is the case with Boudin

https://www.safersfwithoutboudin.com

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