The Vaccine Moment, part one
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But then I look around and see that people who made the same choices as me started hurling turds at people who didn't. Questioning their intelligence. Calling them evil and stupid. Cheering on horrific measures. Now the mask isn't as much a preventative measure as it is a tribal marker.
And I am disgusted.
I'm vaccinated because I had to to be allowed to travel, otherwise I would have waited this one out just like I waited out the previous pandemic vaccine - "Pandemrix", the vaccine against the swine flu which turned out to cause narcolepsy, especially in children [1,2,3]. I could join the choir but decided to tell them off. This gets me labelled as "anti-vaxxer" but I'll just sew that badge on my uniform where it can join all the other labels thrown at dissenters. I know the truth, after all.
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcoleps...
[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6413474/
[3] https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy
However everything I have done or do has been because it’s been my personal choice to do so based on my understanding of the risk I have from this virus. It’s entirely a selfish motivation.
However, I am not willing to criticize the decisions others have made that are different than mine, and am disgusted at the behavior of zealots who do so.
We are not arguing about long established scientific norms. This is a novel virus AND a novel vaccine. Skepticism should be expected.
I don’t doubt the need to have this discussion about authoritarianism, but the exaggeration of comparing it to nazi times or apartheid (as this line of thinking inevitably implies) is utterly disrespectful to the victims of real regimes.
The comparison is still valid because the consequences could be the same if this doesn't stop.
It is a false choice if one answer is discriminated against specifically. If that's OK, then persecuting religion is to be supported just by stating 'but they have a choice to change religion.'
Because you don't share a belief, does that make it OK to persecute others for it? Is their own informed view and decision about their health and how it might affect others to be over-ridden to suit yours? Is the truth 100% clear to justify yourself?
Obese people have the choice to stop eating, should we ban them from restaurants and medical services because of their 'choice?'
Fear makes people mean and willing to harm others for the sake of their own perceived risk avoidance (don't pretend it's all for the 'greater good' with all the other day to day suffering we contribute to at the cost of others) without a second thought.
I agree that vaccines are not the magic wand some science zealots would like them to be. Put what’s even clearer, is how the lack of vaccination affects and strains the national medical systems. Every decision has be taken with that as a beacon.
Novaxxers here aren’t simply free thinkers. They’re totalitarians attacking scientific proof, wishing that their magical thinking could be taken as reference by policymaking. They’re above all extreme individualists who put their personal choice in front of everyone else’s well being, out of principle.
They are, in other words, anti-social elements, that are willing to risk the well being of their fellow citizens for a libertarian choice often rooted in misconception and misinformation.
False. France has at some point subordinated access to non-covid related health services to vaccination status.
>They’re totalitarians attacking scientific proof, wishing that their magical thinking
Post a copy of your PhD please. Not only you are lying on easily verifiable facts as mentionned previously, but you obviously have no idea what is science and how it is made. There is a reason vaccination hesitancy is highest (~25%) amoung PhD level educated people: precisely because they know the limit of science and how it is manipulated in the public discurse.
Followed by the "high school or less" group at 20%, presumably for the same reasons, then?
Also, you balk at the GP calling antivaxxers "totalitarians", yet you say this in a comment below:
> I therefore propose to use an experimental vaccine using Guillotinine (a molecule related to quinine) and administer it to a selected test subjects such as Pfizer's and Moderna CEOs, CEO of big TV network as well as a few ministers of health and selected parliamentarians. I bet that covid will cease to be a thing in less than two weeks after injection.
Not taking a side but this is an ad hominem argument
> vaccination hesitancy is highest (~25%) amoung PhD level educated people:
could you share a source for this? sounds fascinating
We did not, where did you get this from?
But we should have had. If you are not vaccinated then you should be at the very end of the queue, when there is no risk for anybody else. If you die then you can be proud that you did it defending your freedom.
> Post a copy of your PhD please
Not OP but I do have a PhD (physics) and I ran to get my 3rd booster shot when it was available. Also because I looked at numbers and I happen to know how science is done (and what was messed up with statistics when reporting covid data, but that's another story)
So you mean people like Dr. Robert Malone (one of inventors of the mRNA vaccine) warnings long time ago about vaccine enhanced infections and low vaccine efficacy after he saw biodistribution data that was revealed after a FOIA request? And it looks like no one care about him beside "novaxxers".
Or like banning people from social media after they report data from VAERS database?
Or ignoring doctors that say we should look more into this vaccines side effects (because of they experiences, like chief pathologist at the University of Heidelberg that say people who die in connection with a vaccination should have to be examined more frequently)?
I feel that everyone who makes a "oh no, rates are shooting up" argument is being disingenuous for the sake of it. We literally don't care if every single person in the world gets COVID, we only care that they don't have lasting repercussions from it.
Also, more infections lead to more deaths among vaccinated, too. No vaccine is 100% protection against death outcome.
That would count as a lasting repercussion, wouldn't it?
If everyone gets some sickness, but nothing happens but a few symptoms for 24 hours, does it make a sound?
The article is right, most of the West lost its mind, and its more important value, freedom. And the mass is chearfully applauding, spitting on the non-vaccinated. This is very visible for me, living in Japan, where the most dystopian measures (forced vaccination, QR codes, lockdowns, deportation camps) aren't in effect and where the situation is not worse (arguely better) than in any country implementing those. The measures are not about health since a long time and governments are more clearly than ever the enemy of people they are supposed the take care of.
I therefore propose to use an experimental vaccine using Guillotinine (a molecule related to quinine) and administer it to a selected test subjects such as Pfizer's and Moderna CEOs, CEO of big TV network as well as a few ministers of health and selected parliamentarians. I bet that covid will cease to be a thing in less than two weeks after injection.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
A couple of examples are:
> an active state/media campaign against early treatment of a disease
This contains a link to an article with a headline of "FDA asks people to stop taking animal dewormer to treat COVID-19". It is fine if the author disagrees with the FDA decision on the effectiveness of the treatment but this is not what they say about the link.
> It is the fact that these vaccines, whatever their efficacy in other areas, do not prevent transmission of the virus.
This links to an article about a study which found that vaccinated people who catch the virus are equally likely to infect other people as unvaccinated people who catch the virus. Reading further in the article it states "a fully vaccinated contact has a 25% chance of catching the virus from an infected household member while an unvaccinated contact has a 38% chance of becoming infected". So the overall effect of the vaccine clearly does reduce transmission by reducing the chance of being infected, and without being infected you cannot pass on the virus.
This makes it feel like the author is more interested in pushing an agenda than representing things in an accurate way.
The flagged voice in the wilderness.
The advent is near.
As it was all those years ago.
Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
* it's known for quite some time that the vaccine doesn't reduce the infection numbers that much (for various reasons); the effect is now measured by the numbers of hospitalizations. almost all of those in intensive care are not vaccinated (the rest are suffering from impaired immune systems). non-icu patient rate is mostly unvaccinated, especially if a 70% vaccination rate is considered.
ireland population: ~5 mil, deaths per day in december 21: between 7 and 12 austrian population: ~9 mil, deaths per day in december 21: between 55 and 60
see https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/austria?count...
* the problem in austria, as in many other affected countries, is the collapse of the public health system due to ICU load and staff attrition. remember, it's not about the beds, it's about the staff. we've got a burnout epidemic which is worsened by unmasked protestors in front of the hospitals while nurses are already completely exhausted. there have been unofficial reports of triage, bodies of the deceased stored in hallways. there are abandoned hospital stations because the whole staff has been relegated to the covid stations. non-essential procedures are delayed delayed indefinitely.
* the bodily autonomy only applies if it only affects you and not the people around it. i can't bring the bodily autonomy principle to justify smoking cigarettes in a day care or driving on public streets under the influence. the problem with bodily autonomy and vaccines is such an idiotic one, thanks to the morons that misinterpreted the financial fraudster andrew wakefield. i know it's a bit more complicated than that, but vaccinations rarely were an issue at all, when, say, you were to travel to an african or south easian holiday destination. it only started to be a problem when it became politicized.
* there have been rare but rising cases of violence, but i can't recall a single one which wasn't by anti-vaxxers against security or hospital personnel. it's actually a huge problem - many doctors stopped vaccinating people because they've been harassed and threatened by irate anti-vaxxers. there are cases of small town politicians being threatened by the mob ("drag him out!").
* there are large scale protests all over the country. almost all of them are organized by right-wing parties and/or neo-nazi groups (there's significant overlap). the FPÖ (the right wing party) used to be pro mandatory vaccinations until very recently, when the policy would affect mostly immigrants. some of those protests are staged in front of hospitals, hindering ambulances and intimidating staff.
* measures like extended lockdowns for the unvaccinated have failed because they were simply ignored, either with fake certificates or just hoping not to get caught.
i used to be against mandatory vaccination and would have preferred a different solution: ranking unvaxxed-by-choice patients lower than vaccinated patients. this proposal has been rejected (for multiple reasons).
tbh i'm not optimistic. with omicron approaching the situation in the hospitals will be even more catastrophic than it ever was. i just hope that there wont be any medical emergencies in my family.
so right now we have 50 deaths a day even though every patient gets a hospital / ICU bed. with omikron those numbers are going to explode.
other than that, i feel like i've read every single of his arguments repelled a thousand times by scientists. lower numbers in africa can be explained by a lower average age. omikron less severe than expected because of high levels of natural antibodies from previous infections, etc. etc. etc.
And you say extended lockdowns for the unvaxed have failed because they 'cheated' without mention that being vaccinated does not a) stop you getting covid or b) prevent you spreading it.
Most of your points here are rote repetition of the media talking points that the article author spoke about.
And the bodily autonomy point about unvaxed affecting those around. Aren't they vaxed, therefore not concerned? Or do you refer to some apparently extremely common type of person who is not only immuno compromised (they've been getting vaxed too) but unable to be vaxed and with huge comorbidities that likes hanging around sick people?
we had to to relocate patients to hospitals in other states only a few days ago because some of them were already completely at or over capacity. i fear that with omikron the numbers will rise to a level where there just isn't enough capacity, and in that case the survival rate of (potential) ICU patients will drop from 50% to ... well. what do you think happens if you send an ICU patient home?
> And you say extended lockdowns for the unvaxed have failed because they 'cheated' without mention that being vaccinated does not a) stop you getting covid or b) prevent you spreading it.
it's true that being vaccinated doesn't stop you getting covid, but it reduces the chance of getting it greatly. it also doesn't prevent you spreading it, but the window of you being infectious is smaller and you'll just a lot less infectious if you're not infected yourself due to the vaccine.
> Most of your points here are rote repetition of the media talking points
well, they're the talking points of scientists i trust on this issue. i perceive his talking points as rote repetition of media talking points too, just from right wing/denier media.
> Aren't they vaxed, therefore not concerned?
all the vaccine does is lowering the risk! it doesn't make the unvaxxed immune. nobody denies that. the vaccination is just one action of many. a powerful one though.
ireland has high rates of vaccination and few deaths. austria has comparably low rates of vaccination and many more of deaths. it's not that complicated! vaccination never would have been made mandatory if people would have gone on their own, but since the right started to radicalize and mobilize people this chance is lost forever.