would love to see some concrete examples. because we tried building open networks and they get sybil attacked or spammed, and introducing a token to add cost to the transactions on p2p networks did seem to help their security. People dont seem to like the social aspects of that tokenisation, so whats the suggestion? Whats the next step? Is the future you see more like spotify or more like funkwhale or more like audius? How are you delivering it to the general population? How can we contribute?

Those of us working in the web3/crypto space are interested in the same values as the poster has: local, personal, private, self owned, p2p, permissionless. We are looking for ways to work on those things and provide infrastructure for others to build on.

It is increasingly clear that lots of people don't like the money/token/asset ideas of the crypto theyve seen. So do we just give up hacking on money? because i remember it was the deep distrust in existing money systems was why this all took off in the first place.

Or is money just something sacred we aren't allowed to play with? is it morally wrong? Why is it that pictures of the Queen in my wallet on pieces of paper somehow the best form of money? wouldnt you rather trade pictures of dogs in space? One of those is way more fun and doesnt bow down to a culture of inherited power.

Or is it just the mass speculation, and mania in the public which you dont like?(fuelled by abusive relationships with money and desperation to escape everyday life, which seems a bigger problem than crypto tbh). Is that because you are worried about the impact it has on the vulnerable? Could we try explore efforts in speculation-resistant currencies and trust networks like https://joincircles.net

And one point id highlight is that efficiency is often over prioritised, and resilience is more important to the survival of a network. Hosting private local nodes will never be as efficient as datacenters, so is efficiency really your priority? If everyone used Mastodon would that be as efficient as Twitter? Make the system strong and resilient, then as efficient as possible given the first constraint. First you make something that can survive, then optimise it.