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Tesla Full Self-Driving Beta Causes Accident with Model Y

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More details about this that was not covered by Jalopnik as the owner who originally posted the video (and then removed it, probably under pressure):

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-beta-attempts-to...

The number of comments on that post blaming the owner rather than FSD Beta was kinda sad to read.

Unfortunately, many Tesla owners seem to have formed a cult around what should have be a fans club.

Is it just me or did the AI dim the brights and then get confused by the dark spot it created? The double yellow and signs are clearly visible, what the hell.

Clearly visible to you, a human. The ML systems can't "see" and don't know anything about the world - they're just processing a torrent of pixels.

Seems like the automatic high beam switch-off function, you could be right...

Possibly, but it steered into headlights and I’m not sure what to make of that.

It really baffles me that there are people paying thousands of $ to beta-test software for a company!

Software where the term "crash" is quite literal no less.

One of the biggest issues with Level 2 systems is that they may require the user to suddenly takeover in a panic situation.

People are already broadly under-experienced in emergency handling when they’re fully alert and in control.

Given that it seems the added stress of having to take over when you’re not already driving is likely to lead to situations where the human overcorrects or reacts too late as they may have done in this case.

Edit: Someone else pointed out the required steering force varies depending on whether or not AutoSteer is engaged and that the torque sensing and release may have caused the driver to overcorrect when the steering effort required changed suddenly.

I've seen a lot of people saying the driver overreacted and that their putting the car in a ditch is evidence of their lack of driving skills.

I suspect that those making those criticisms haven't tried cancelling a Tesla when it's in FSD or Autopilot. It takes a fair amount of torque on the wheel to cancel those modes. When they do disengage, unless you're prepared, you oversteer, since now there's nothing resisting the wheel. The first time this happened to me I almost oversteered off the road and barely recovered and avoided sending the car off a bank that would have easily destroyed the car and likely caused my death.

There is a way to cancel these modes using then right stalk behind the steering wheel, but it's the last thing anyone driver with experience is going to thing of doing when trying to steer the car to avoid a collision.

+1 this is correct

Not to start a flame war - but I wonder if this is one those cases where their vision based system failed to reconstruct the 3d scene. And if that's true, wouldn't having Lider helped here?

In the long run I agree that vision based system can perform just as good, but I think the deep neural networks Tesla are using is not there yet, and could use supplementary sensors such as Lidar data to improve the training set of the model.

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