It is one of the many political topics that has a strong polarizing effect, which in turn results in hate and anger.
They may not have been a believable threat. But trying to strong-arm more votes out of various places, refusal to concede, throwing around unfounded allegations of mass cheating, constantly, and then the mountain of lawsuits and talking heads... it's beyond the pale.
If they don't see that threat, when would they? Because from here it looks far more like they don't care so long as it's their guy. And that's scary.
It is generally hard to make people care about a threat that they don't perceive, and even more if they view the whole process as being done by fools and jesters. The many Capitol Building riots memes is a good example where people are mostly joking about how incompetent the people involved was, rather than portraying a realistic and scary threat.
It is hard to have a more polarization response than one side laughing because they see fools and the other being scared because they see a realistic threat.
The democrats? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0
that's not a gaffe. If you assert it's a gaffe, you must now explain a ton more.
>And then the other side is judged for being taken aback by that? Are we supposed to pretend like nothing is happening?
Someone could blame the media but that's beside the point. The USA is more divided today that I have ever seen it. According to articles ive read, the divide is larger today than it has been since the civil war. Thusly probable that another civil war is coming but oh boy is this one ever going to be one sided.
I don't see it that way. Let's discuss the gaffe deeper, as I said it requires significantly more explanation.
>Biden is visibly affected by senility.
I'm not a doctor and haven't diagnosed him this way. I don't believe this is public knowledge that he has been diagnosed as such. What makes you believe he has dementia? What kind? This statement scares me to no end, you believe the person in charge of the largest nuclear weapon arsenal has dementia? That would need to be fixed asap if true. I don't believe it to be true.
>How could you think it's anything but a gaffe?
So lets get into it. If it's a gaffe, what's the gaffe. It would be egregious to give him the benefit of the doubt to the point where you don't even investigate. The gaffe can go either way, he could have just meant that they have an organization to get people engaged and voting. That would be way past the line and not appropriate to jump there.
The other way the gaffe can be seen. There is a voting fraud organization and plan and the gaffe is that he accidentally admitted to it. He shouldn't have admitted to it. I could believe this level of gaffe, it's not unreasonable. It unfortunately admits to voted fraud.
>Do you really think that if he was aware of systematic voter fraud strategy being developed that he would actually give a speech about it?
He wasn't giving a speech about it. It was an accidental admission. Slip of the tongue, freudian slip, whatever you would like to call it. It has nothing to do with dementia. He was under immense pressure running an election during a pandemic. The hallmark of a freudian slip is that they generate out of thought supressions. He knew he can't admit to voting fraud, and was trying to suppress the thought.
Now here's the thing. It's simple to solve this problem. Elections have far more to do with appearance. Democrats having heard Biden admit to voting fraud had to come out and be above board. The entire process needed to be beyond question. No drama, no nothing. They needed to make sure the process was transparent as possible. Give the republicans nothing that might question the legitimacy of the election.
Unfortunately they didnt do that. They hated trump so much they needed him to lose.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/technology/michigan-elect...
Nytimes is obviously biased, but stuff like this however is the opposite of transparent. Literally it's opaque. There's no simple reason, there's no reason at all to block the windows.
Add on top of that they threw out multiple republican observers for various reasons. Most republican observers were denied access.
Nobody will ever know if the election was stolen. As I said above, the republicans made it very clear they believe the election was stolen by their actions.
It's just that right, it sure looks like the election was stolen.
I never affirmatively said fraud happened. I have no idea. What the link proves quite conclusively that there is the appearance of some BS going on. Which in the context of where the democrats are forced to make sure things dont look like there's a 'voted fraud org' like biden said.
If biden was telling to the truth. This is exactly what it would look like.
>Did the bipartisan boards of county and state canvassers review the processes and results?
Doesn't matter. Bush vs Gore in 2000 was a big boondoggle. Russian interference allegations in 2016 that is questionable. Now this one?
In recent polls a super majority of US citizens believe the elections are fraudulent. Tremendously low confidence the election system is functioning properly. The republicans are paralyzed from accusing the democrats because it'll blow out democracy. How broken is the system if voting fraud almost certainly happened but did it happen to change the results and you can't call it out?
Every single republican report you will read about keeping democracy intact and the necessity to build a new more robust system and make sure votes are counted properly. They actively changed the rules everywhere they could.
Mind you, after biden said voted fraud org. The onus is on the democrats to prove the election was smooth. That sure as shit didn't happen.
to me he clearly meant 'voter fraud prevention', which is still wrong, afik it was a much needed voter empowerment organiztion
> I never affirmatively said fraud happened
> if voting fraud almost certainly happened
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> majority of US citizens believe ... instead of actually 'proving' that fraud occurred, couldn't this be a measure of successful disinformation?
wasn't there a huge effort, like 60+ lawsuits? to show fraud? why was there no significant fraud found?
I look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict...
The republicans have made it very clear through their actions they believe the election was fraudulent. 425 bills in 49 states post-election is something pretty significant.
It's interesting that they don't say it. They can't say it can they? Trust in democracy is so low from the democrats saying they republicans stole the elections. If the Michigan republicans came out and said that they believe the election was illegitimate. What happens? Trump isnt getting into office. It's not going to change anything. What are the consequences? The militia folks might go take over the capitol or something? Worse? Civil war? The union splitting? Been seeing lots of that talk.
Instead what can michigan do? They've introduced 39 election reform bills https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/03/...
You dont introduce 39 bills because you feel the election went smoothly. They control the senate and house. Those bills will likely pass.
Interesting they just outright put in the title 'based on lies' but that's needed. They are going to do all this voter supression etc based on lies but it'll happen. It has to happen. If 1 side of the election thinks it wasn't legitimate. The next election will be going much more smoothly.
To get back to your question. The same reason Michigan's republicans say the election was fine with various problems is the same reason you heard of 'no significant fraud found' goes back to being unable to say it.
The US democrats exist to divert any worker resistance into channels they can then sabotage. In many ways they're more right wing than the US Republicans, especially when it comes to foreign policy.