Tildeverse.org: A loose association of like-minded tilde communities
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If you have a website that contains user generated content aimed at technical folks what looks nicer (and maybe what are some more options?):
1. GitHub's implicit username: https://github.com/foo
2. Medium's @username: https://medium.com/@foo
3. Old style homedir (eg tildeverse): http://tilde.club/~foo
4. Explicit user folder: https://example.com/users/foo
My preference is not to use implicit usernames since you then would need to filter against a blocklist (something like https://github.com/marteinn/The-Big-Username-Blocklist). Anybody have any opinions?
Perhaps because I remember having those kind of addresses when I younger, and therefore associate with an older generation? (Not that that guarantees trustworthiness!) Or maybe because a lot of academic personal sites use that as well?
I guess in terms of "what looks nicer", for me:
1. I assume this is just a directory
2. '@' in URLs just feels weird now, it's not a usename:password type thing
3. Not particularly pretty
4. I think that signifies what it is, and who it is
I also can't agree that it's almost the same hand movement, you have to use your right thumb for AltGr while also reaching for the key with your right hand. On an English layout you'd use your pinky for shift, or even your other hand.
Swedish QWERTY has a lot of awkward symbols, but ~ isn't anywhere near the same class as something like {
Alternatively, if as you say it is for hosting "user generated content aimed at technical folks", users might want to feel like they own their own (sub-)domain, so how about foo.example.com instead?
I have all the content off the root and I don't want a collision between /articlename and a user with that same name.
~ just makes me feel too old-school. And of course @ is used everywhere to indicate a username now.
EDIT: Oh I guess yeah, for other users. Innnnnnteresting, and then ~ is just shorthand for you. Huh.
It doesn't. ~user looks up the home directory of "user".
The `@` has a special meaning in URLs, but I think all browsers are smart enough to not break on it.
EDIT: it still redirects there from a new tab for me. Is it like this for everyone, has it set a cookie and I'll always be sent there? In any case, I don't care about this product anymore if they're going to be an asshole about it.
the tildeverse is radically anti-product
For instance, if you were a user "dannyboy" on example.com you might host a website in /home/dannyboy/public_html and it'd be exposed via example.com/~dannoyboy
cd ~dusted
alias ~="cd ~"
alias ..="cd .."In some way, i find tilde servers to be some kind of hosting coop where users can tailor to their own needs and contribute more services to the shared infra. For example, thunix.net and fr.tild3.org both have public ansible recipes where users can submit patches.
With fellow people from ~fr, we published an article a few months back arguing how tilde servers change the power balance on the network during lockdowns: https://fr.tild3.org/en/blog/2021/may-first/
There really should be a built in browser feature that prompts the user that the link they clicked redirects somewhere else.
I was inspired by the tildeverse and all the friends I've made on IRC! It's great fun :) Highly recommend.
I got started with https://tilde.town, which is v comfy.
Looks like it's just the homepage that's been rickrolled, the members page appears to be up: https://tildeverse.org/members/
I don't know what any of that means.
It's a hodge-podge of punk, DIY, bohemian, counter-cultural weirdos of every flavor. Poets and unabombers and lovers and shitposters.
But I mean more the whole RMS vibe some people are rocking.
That's not a terribly uncommon sentiment. Usually people mean the manifesto, not the part where he bombed people.
How is gopher or gemini not "clearnet"? Gopher doesn't even have any encryption (gemini uses TLS). Seriously though, i find it weird that everything Google/Facebook doesn't link you to is considered "darknet" nowadays.
EDIT: Is my mailbox darkweb or deepweb? What about LAN services? Torrents? Is anything not available on HTTP and public DNS not "clearnet"?
A mailing list that didn't have web-accessible archives would qualify. Arguably, so would a list that had archives that just weren't crawlable.
This may seem strange if you come from the commercial web, but on independent web, it's a pretty common sentiment. There is very little benefit to actually getting visitors from the outside if you have no interactivity and no ads. It's not that they attempt to keep visitors away, they just don't do much to bring them in. Blocking commercial web crawlers isn't particularly rare, for example. Some don't support HTTPS, which means you won't get listed on Google.
Right that's what I mean. Is http://danluu.com/ outside of the clearnet?
> This may seem strange if you come from the commercial web, but on independent web, it's a pretty common sentiment.
I've written Gemini software so I don't need the intro. I do get however that "smolweb" people really like talking about their values at the drop of a hat.
Your mailbox would be deep web, if it's exposed to the Internet. If your mailbox uses an auto-responder to respond to coded messages with encrypted binaries of an illegal nature, it would be dark web.
>Tilde.club is one cheap, unmodified Unix computer on the Internet.
>That’s it. That’s all it is. It is no more than that.
>If you look for more for it to be you will find nothing.
The implication I'd add is that it's just a 'shared' unix machine.
https://tilde.club/~lab6/quilt.html
Instructions:
Then the Secret Service showed up at my door.
Be careful who you share with. Some of them might actually be a unabomber.
There are freely available and free of charge Gemini and Gopher clients for every platform, almost all of which are open source. No signups to any service are required. For that matter, there are Gemini gateways on the web, so you don’t even need to install anything.
If your definition of a ‘walled garden’ is anything that can’t be accessed directly by the web browser Google or Apple pre-installed on your device, I think you might want to reconsider.
No that's not my definition but also, why would I reconsider? Are you angry at Google or Apple and trying to defend the Tildes or something?
I'm using "walled" in the sense that there's a level of gatekeeping the community does, so builds up walls, to attract a certain kind of person. This kind of person _wants_ to hang out on a shared TUI-based *nix system. That's the wall. Much like a signup wall requires people have logins. That's all.
Regardless of your definition of “walled”, you seem to simply not know about tildes. There is no need to use a TUI or hang out on a Unix system to view the content.
A walled garden is designed by its owners to keep its users inside -- AOL, Myspace, Facebook.