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makes me think of the Buddhist "Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water".

not my favorite source since it doesn't go into the 'scaling the mountain' bit, but every source that talks abt that part seems to be...eh: https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/15921/what-is-t...

I always took that to mean something like this:

Q: What is the difference between an enlightened person and an ordinary person?

A: There is no difference, but only the enlightened person knows this.

“Before enlightenment: if then. After enlightenment: if then.”

Before agile: it's not done yet

After agile: it's not done yet

After agile: it's not done