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Quake 1 gets its first major co-op content update in 25 years

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Quake keeps getting content.

There are other mods / paks like DOPA, Arcane Dimensions, Copper, and Alkaline. Just to name some of the pretty damn good ones. Somehow, Quake ended up in a sweet spot. There's a rhythm to the way you fight, and a lot of tools in stock Quake to make varied situations in a single-player level. The level design doesn't ape reality like games from the early 2000s started to do.

There are tons of things Quake did wrong, but enough things that it does right.

What are things Quake did wrong? Were they wrong for their time, wrong in hindsight, or wrong in the long run?

I don't want to head too deep into the "wrong for their time" versus "wrong in hindsight" calculations, because it turns into a game of "pretend it's 1996"

Things Quake did "wrong" mostly boil down to game design and level design problems. Most base levels and episode 4 suffer from various problems... poor layout, inconsistently sized spaces, samey areas, unnecessary teleporters, too many corridors, overuse of traps, under-lit areas, etc. Chthon is boring. Shub-Niggurath is obtuse. Vore missiles track too perfectly. Spawn (the blobs that explode) are just no fun. Ammo balance could be a lot better (e.g. Ogres give you grenades). Weapon balance could stand some tweaks (e.g. between the two nailguns).

I think a lot of these problems could have been fixed if Quake had been less rushed--but may not have been fixed. The development team had a bunch of ideas for Quake that were questionable. Quake 2 was worse in many ways, except when it came to multiplayer and the mod scene. The Quake 2 engine fixed so many of the technical problems with the Quake engine, but the game is saddled with an awful story, and some of the slight slant towards more "realism" in Q2 level design did it a major disservice.

Various Quake 1 mods address balance issues, and the single-player maps you can find these days are simply phenomenal. Some of them would not have been possible in 1996 (like Tears of the False God in Arcane Dimensions) but then there are level packs like DOPA which just seem like, well, better levels, and there are mods like Copper which directly address various game design issues.

So I think it's interesting to ask "What did Quake do right, so that in spite of its flaws, people still like it?" I think that it's an enjoyable game as a game, not just as a retro game you play for nostalgia.

>Things Quake did "wrong" mostly boil down to game design and level design problems.

This was a reflection of the issues and internal squabbles ID Software had at the time, especially between John Carmack, the (in)famous programmer, and John Romero, the (in)famous game designer.

The story goes that John Carmack tore down walls at ID offices to keep an eye on everyone since John Romero was just coming at work to slack off and play games all day instead of working on Quake, and the other employees were burned out and irate by John Carmack's iron-fist leadership and working style.

That's pretty much the epitome of toxic work environments. I'm surprised that Quake came out as good as it did, all things considered.

>The Quake 2 engine fixed so many of the technical problems with the Quake engine, but the game is saddled with an awful story

After John Romero left and they lost their top game designer, ID Software's released games were basically tech demos to showcase John Carmack's cutting edge 3D engine tech wrapped up in some improv story so they could be sold as games.

I think the interpersonal problems are overplayed and don’t really explain much. Quake was rushed. 3D level design was in its infancy.

Well that's more of a limitation of what PCs could do at the time. Large levels full of monsters like Doom had in 2D, could not be handled in 3D even by the high end PCs at the time so that's why the design direction was so different and did not age well.

Masters of Doom mentions how some of the early design was based around a D&D campaign Carmack made and they all played. The modern game Amid Evil really struck me as what Quake could have been without its design compromises due to technical limitations and "rush" (more like, they couldn't believe it was taking so long, it turned things toxic, they needed to get it out and be done). AE really nails the swords&sorcery-style fantasy elements whereas Quake only really hints at them (though the more contemporary Hexen series did them a lot better too).

I remember reading about Quake before it was released, and I recall that it was going for a much slower pace. Melee combat and 1v1 fights were the focus, and environments felt very dark and moody.

Not sure if that was a piece of fan-fiction or whatever, this was ~30 years ago so my memory is very fuzzy. It was also passed around in the BBS days so who knows the veracity of what I read. I imagine this document has been lost to time.

I was a little disappointed at the final release that I didn't get the above but it was nevertheless extremely cool.

Yeah, Quake was supposed to be their RPG in development, The Fight for Justice. "You start off as Quake, the strongest, most dangerous person on the continent." Your character in The Fight for Justice was supposed to start off with a Thor-like hammer and a ring of protection. They tried to carry forth the combat with the hammer into the final Quake game, making it a more melee-focused thing albeit with the ability to shoot thunderbolts or other magic and cause shockwaves by striking the ground with the hammer, etc. They found it didn't work, and they all just wanted to play with more Doom-like guns anyway. The hammer may have become the Axe and Lightning Gun weapons in the final game.

Large levels and good levels are different things. We know that the limitations of PCs are irrelevant here.

What I don't get is that Goldeneye came out the following year was way more impressive in everyway but it's quake and quake 2 that's remembered as ground breaking. I had an N64 and was convinced by hype to get a 3dfx card for my pc. To be honest it was a bit of a let down.

Goldeneye may have been a very good game, but visually, what the Quake 2 engine was capable of on PC, was far ahead of what the games running on the N64 hardware could ever dream of as it was limited to only 4k texture cache vs PC GPUs back then had 4MB or more of VRAM for textures. This is why N64 textures were blurry.

Maybe you weren't blown away because the games you tried were not great or your PC had bottlenecks, since if you do a side by side of PC games of the era that were also ported to the N64, they look obviously worse on the N64.

Goldeneye engine was written bespoke for the N64 hardware and the devs were absolute wizards to make it look as good as it did on that limited hardware, but if you look without the rose tinted glasses, you can see the rough edges of the N64 HW limitations.

You make some fair points. Thing is I've been back to Goldeneye a lot, on original hardware, emulators and even the leaked Xbox 360 version. Gameplay wise it feels quite far a head of quake 1 and 2. I read that the half life team saw Goldeneye and went and made significant changes because of it. The fact that quake 2 and Goldeneye came out in the same year is strange, Goldeneye plays like it's a generation a head of, it's environments are way more interactive, it's level design is also something that still stands up (this might be something to do with designing the levels as real places and fitting the game around it).

Bizarrely I don't think perfect dark was as good. Even worse, I kept waiting for an FPS that took Goldeneyes lessons onboard. Only thing that was timesplitters 1 and 2 (though that's because free radical were ex Goldeneye staff).

If someone could recommend an FPS that plays as well as Goldeneye I'd really want to play it :)

Goldeneye is remembered as groundbreaking everywhere I go, it seems. A lot of it comes down to split-screen multiplayer and its ability to run on a $200 console. It sold at least 10x as many units as Quake 2. People you meet by chance, in person, are more likely to remember Goldeneye.

People you meet on HN or at FAANG companies had $2000 PCs back in 1998, hooked up to a LAN. You get a distorted perspective if you work in the tech world.

That's a good point, it also seems to gaming press too.

I vividly remember my first experience with Quake. I had to turn the settings all the way down as far as they would go, and the game barely ran. We have a 486 DX33. It took me hours to download the 8mb shareware version, and the game stuttered badly. I remember the sound effects would echo badly as the computer could not render the game at full speed. I could hardly make any of the platforming sections, since the frame rate was so low, and there was a palpable delay between hitting the buttons, and getting a reaction. A year or two later, we got an upgraded PC which ran at ~100 MHz, and of course this handled Quake just fine. It was only then that I played it online. I remember distinctly: 800 ping was "pretty good," while over 1000 ping" was on the boundary of playable. We had dial-up only, and were very rural, so our connection quality was not simply slow, but also spotty and high-latency.

I remember that Quake was not designed to run on a 486 at all. The vertex transformation code that did a perspective divide was optimized around the Pentium microarchitecture and wasn't as efficient on other microarchitectures, sometimes much less efficient. Quake is cited as one of the reasons why Cyrix disappeared.

> the interpersonal problems are overplayed

Agreed. People just love to exaggerate the drama. It's clear that it was there but I think not at the level that people keep claiming it was.

> John Romero, the (in)famous game designer.

This is an unfair generalisation. In addition to being a great game designer, Romero was an extremely skilled programmer. He just didn't measure up to Carmack in terms of pure graphics--technical solutions. But since when is that a fair comparison for anyone?

I think the primary reason the original Quake idea never bore out (not at id, and not at the studio Romero started after id) was that Romero had some misconceptions about how easy it would be to create a highly complex game by just throwing more manpower at it.

Quake was a huge cultural hit and basically kickstarted the multiplayer shooter genre which has ever since been probably the most popular genre for decades. I’m not sure what these takes about it being a failure are

The previous comments were focused on the single player game.

As someone who dedicated 4 (very formative) years to playing Quake / Quakeworld, I agree that the muliplayer game was excellent. Even without the endless extra content from the mod scene, the base vanilla muliplayer experience was just so utterly captivating.

Yeah I probably only played through the campaign twice and some thousands of hours in LAN and online and with various mods

>This is an unfair generalisation. In addition to being a great game designer

Him being a great designer is debatable. During his tenure at ID, Romero had acclaimed successes which lead him to think of himself as this indispensable god-like figure that everything he touched turned to gold and that his talent is wasted at the current ID at the time and became difficult to work with, which was pissing off John Carmack.

So after he left ID to work on his own company, Ion Storm, most of his post-ID era games were massive flops that over promised and under delivered (ahem, Daikatana) both story and level wise and ruined the company and brought him back to reality that maybe he's not this god-like game designer after all, based on having a lucky streak early in his career.

Sure, it's impossible to distinguish between "great at X" and "having a lucky streak at X" for anyone.

From my understanding, though, Romero could -- and did -- crank out good, smaller games on demand early in his career, far more than is easily attributable to lucky streak.

The problems, as I see it, only began when he wanted to make bigger games and thought the way to do it was by hiring lots of people and somehow his dream would get well executed by this ill-thought-out organisation.

>and episode 4

This is where my playthroughs really grind to a halt. episode 4's levels were primarily designed by Sandy Peterson, who is also responsible for some of Doom 2's more infamous levels. He seems to like very large, difficult to navigate levels with painful traps. It's in total contrast to the tight, iconic levels of episode 1.

Yeah they were pretty brutal! Like the difficulty is somewhat frustrating, but I actuslly thought they had some clever architechture and puzzles.

I did not play Quake 1 at the time (mainly because I was not quite born yet), but I've played bits of in the past decade and this year I've played and modded it a ton, thanks in part to the remaster. I think it's all of those ways to some extent.

The base game has quite a few bugs and arbitrary limitations which could have been fixed at the time. For example:

- While the player movement feels generally amazing even to this day, it doesn't handle ramps that well: the player slowly slides down when on even the slightest of inclines, and jumping while standing on any angled surface has unpredictable consequences.

- The NPCs are really dumb (they basically move randomly until they see an enemy), which is not a huge problem in itself, but they also get stuck on level geometry and each other really easily unless the level is carefully designed so that enemies are never packed too closely together. I was working on a custom level where I wanted a pack of dogs to attack from a sewer pipe, but I had to abandon the idea as the dogs require as much vertical space as the player in order to move, which does not match their visuals.

There are also some game design issues which are maybe more clear in hindsight. For instance, many of the enemies don't choreograph their attacks very well, which combined with instant hitscan attacks makes some fights feel unfair.

But the biggest issue I have with the game is that while basic gameplay is great, in my opinion there isn't just enough variety to keep the game constantly interesting for 4 chapters (and ten thousand custom maps). There are surprisingly few weapon and enemy types, and many of the weapons are just direct upgrades. The issue is compounded by the fact level scripting and interactivity is surprisingly limited in the base game without mods. This results in most standard Quake maps having basically exactly the same gameplay, just in different (and oftentimes beautifully designed) environments. Maybe I'm just spoilt by Half-Life and its sequels and imitators.

But despite all this I think it is excellent for a game from 1996. With more time in the oven it could have been even better, but what we have now is still an enjoyable game, especially with literally decades of open source development and modding.

Yes but it caused a revolution in gaming which other studios were able to work off of and refine, eg Half Life. But at the time, there was truly nothing like it, with its full 3D, which is harder to develop for but clearly was the future of gaming.

You have to look at what was available at the time, basicly doom clones and the build engine.

Of course. I'm well aware of Quake's impact, legacy and the competition at the time.

Yeah, the "find the yellow key" style gameplay was par for the course at the time, but does feel one dimensional. Half Life changed that, but also System Shock (Classic) was a lessor known game of that era that was hugely different on this point. If you like games of this era I'd suggest checking it out. It uses a different control scheme vs most FPS's, one that ultimately the industry did not chose to follow, and that bothers some people, but I think it fits the gameplay and the rest of the game is so compelling it's pretty forgivable even if you dislike it.

I hear Arcane Dimensions is where it is at.

Arcane Dimensions is fantastic. There’s no campaign, but a bunch of different individual levels made by different mappers. An individual level in Arcane Dimensions has about as much content as an entire episode of the original Quake. Level design is very sophisticated, with lots of reuse of areas. Can be easy to get lost if you’re not paying attention.

Me and my friends played hundreds or maybe thousands of hours of Quake 1 back in the day, I don't think anyone played the single player more than once so level design there and all are irrelevant. But deathmatch levels were things of beauty IMO, purpose-built ones like DM2,3,4,6 and even accidental ones like E1M2.

Quake's success in my group was not how it looked, we always played with all the graphics at minimum to extract more FPS, with FOV 120 just to see more of the scene to have the edge. Things made Quake different was playability differences like instant weapon switching, bigger rocket impact area (better rocket jumps), changing direction in the air etc. All the things that make a match fast, dynamic and unpredictable. All unrealistic but more fun.

Anyone interested in DM scene back then may find Lakerman matches (especially on DM4), 9 vs DR series (that held in Sweden and surprised the US players with much more advanced gameplay by Europeans) entertaining.

Some websites to check if you are interested in Quake 1 modding community:

1. Celephais is the forum Q1 modders meet and showcase projects:

www.celephais.net

2. Quaddicted stores hundreds, if not more Quake 1 mods:

https://www.quaddicted.com/

Recommendation of the following oldskool Quake1 map-packs:

- Soul of Evil

- Nehahra Project

- Operation: Urth Majik

- The Altar of Storms

All five star map-packs on Quaddicted are worth a playthrough.

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Back in early 2000s I dreamed about working as a level designer so I was pretty interested in the modding community of Quake, Half-Life and Unreal. It was the golden age of individual modders: The engines are starting to pull off to show good graphics, yet not good enough to persuade modders to go away (modern engines take a LOT more effort to create contents for). The companies encourage modding and provide full tools (with patching) for it.

The communities are still vibrant but many left throughout the years.

> (modern engines take a LOT more effort to create contents for).

Aslong as you are contempt with prepared assets it should be no more effort?

I think the main reason for less mod support is that they can't sell as much low effort DLCs.

Even if mappers want to use premade assets, it still takes a lot of effort to make a level. Starting from the era of DOOM 1/2, the making of a sophisticated map-pack went from weeks to months and then to years. It's just too much.

I have made no-name maps for BF2, and it was "just" sculping terrain, dropping assets, painting woods, roads and ground terrain.

But when I think about it I think you are right regarding "corridor like" fpses, like Half-Life or Quake, where you need to make the buildings.

Check out the mapping tools like Trenchbroom or J.A.C.K (both compatible with HL/CS1.6).

[1] https://trenchbroom.github.io/

[2] https://jack.hlfx.ru/en/

You can use the shareware versions to create maps too. See also the doom mapping community.

Trenchboom is good. I watched a few videos and was thinking about going back to mapping. Should be fun LOL.

I'm curious on others' takes, but that's around the time the FPS genre got playable by modern standards. Any earlier and you'd have 2.5-d, low-resolutions, or bad textures.

Doom, Duke3d and some other 2.5D games still have vibrant modding/mapping communities, especially Doom. But yes Quake seems to enjoy the biggest one.

Seal of Nehahra was an excellent machinima, especially when the entire voice acting was done by one person, iirc. Scourge Done Slick [1,2] is also another well done machinima/film showcasing the speedrunning community.

[1] Part1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SibdQvgsGJo

[2] Part2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlnDvsa-Ork

Blatant self-plug:

We've been working on an open source fork of Quake Team Fortress for a few years now: https://www.fortressone.org

If you like remastered Quake (particularly multi-player), you'll probably enjoy it. Organised games happen most days.

Neat! The video on that page, of the North America vs Oceania game -- was the Guam server chosen to try to equalize the ping for both regions?

I believe so, there was talk about putting servers in Guam for that reason a while ago around regular QW.

Yep! Both USA and Australians ping < 100ms to Guam. We’ve also done quite a bit of work to add anti-lag, making it better than ever.

I object to the wording of this headline, as it elides the steady stream of "content" that has been produced by fans over that same period. The article itself seems to take knowledge of this for granted, by casually mentioning "mods" and "modders" in the text, and assuming familiarity with Quaddicted, which doesn't jibe with the headline either.

Agreed. The Quake scene has been very vibrant for 25 years now, even increasing in quantity AND quality of maps and mods in recent years. I always have quakespasm-spiked installed on all of my computers and play new and old maps weekly. DOPA, Alkaline, Arcane Dimensions, and so many other map jams and map packs, it's awesome!

I like that this re-release sparked extra interest, but I think QSS is by far the better engine.

I'm curious about the target demographic for this and other re-releases (Doom for example). I played first time round and am more than happy to play this for the nostalgia, but are there also new players? What would make someone growing up now pick this up over Fortnite or Call of Duty? Is there demand, or is it just that making content for older games is less expensive than creating a new AAA title?

Some people like to play some old classics they never played. Obviously it's a lot cheaper.

What's tricky is some old classics are probably still worth playing, but some are unplayable by modern standards. I was looking into old games, and Descent just seems too hard, Myst-style point-and-clicks don't work. Older RPGs feel like too much work. I also have zero interest in playing the same level for two hours because of some especially hard gameplay element.

Even back in the day Descent was more of a niche game. I played a crap ton of it on the Kali ladder as well as modem death match with a buddy, but we were the only ones out of our extended friend group that liked it vs everyone that was into doom, quake, etc. A lot of people got motion sickness issues from it and couldn't really do anything about that.

If you're interested in Myst style games but want to play a modern spiritual successor, check out The Witness. It's an astoundingly well designed game, though some of the last puzzles will take some persistence.

For FPS, see if you enjoy Doom 4. If you enjoy Doom 4 then you should be able to enjoy the whole line of Doom 1/2 - Duke Nukem 3d - Quake 1/2 - Unreal that I consider as the golden age products. Unreal has the most advanced engine and the community releases a few patches back in the day, so you might want to watch a few videos and decide which one(s) to play.

For RPG, there are a few "ages". Check out Ultima 1/2/3/4, Wizardry and Bard's Tale which I consider still fun to play despite the oldskool graphics. If you can't stomach the style or graphics, check out SSI Golden Box products. If you still can't go through any of the above, I'd suggest you try out Fallout, Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter nights (Both Neverwinter nights and Baldur's Gate have an enhanced edition that you can purchase).

The biggest and most damning mistake ID Software ever did was to always start fresh. There was a generation of players who started with Quake and just kept on playing it. Same for Quake 2 and Quake 3. This meant that the FPS player base became very segmentet in a genre which has a pretty heavy learningcurve.

ID Software never went the Valve route with a Steam like application with engine updates and so on, in the end they always abandoned the player base that was built up. Modders kept the quake games alive but they couldn't fix the game engines.

Back in the day Quake series was the big games, not Counterstrike. ID Softwares lack of investment opened up the door for Valve.

It was theirs to loose and they lost it.

I think that's because early Id games were "just" tech demos for new rendering techniques, and it was awesome. Reading John Carmack's and Michael Abrash's posts about their new rendering tricks and optimizations was half of the fun.

Also, what's "winning" in the context of game development anyway once you have a breakthrough title. Doom and Quake made enough money to make the company owners rich. There's not much point in being "richer".

> a genre which has a pretty heavy learningcurve

I almost never play games and even I can manage to figure out how to play Quake! Not sure what you mean about a learning curve?

At the time, Quake used or introduced a ton of new game mechanics that are ubiquitous these days.

It's hardly a binary thing, people put a lot of time into becoming good at games to the point where they can almost compete with pro players. Switching to a new game is a major setback in that regard.

To play well at high level - for Quake (or Doom before it) this meant learning all sorts of details and tricks about how the engine operated and how to deal with it - and those people would be less inclined to change to a new version.

But the mods are the more important reasons - and even now we see that in Minecraft which has very increments upgrades; many modpacks are still on the version of Minecraft that came out when they were released.

Yes, anyone can learn quake enough to run trough the levels and kill some bots.

Good luck trying to do same vs online players, at this point everyone in Q1 community has been playing it for 10+ years, some of them even more. It would take you 6+ months of hard grind to start winning against low tier players (given that you have talent for AFPS games)

ID software had one foot in the shrink wrap box software era and that’s how titles were done then. It’s really the Internet that enables a continuous delivery game paradigm or a large modder community paradigm.

This is looking at the past with today's eyes. There was no concept of "maintaining" games as you might expect today. Games were finished, put out on disk or CD, and that was usually that. Patches were sometimes introduced to fix bugs or improve compatibility with certain hardware, but that was usually the limit of support. Quake received far more support post-release than any other game at the time. There were many patches, game improvements and fixes. ID released GLQuake to support the new trend of 3D acceleration (the base game was software rendered only). They released QuakeWorld to support the growing player base who wanted to play multiplayer across the internet. And they released several expansion packs to provide a large amount of additional single player content. This is far, far from "abandoning" a player base. I don't know what more they could have done other than make all of their future games in the Quake 1 engine, which would have been commercial suicide given their reputation for being at the front line of PC technology.

I don't remember much segmentation.

The people who played Quake moved to Quake 2 and Quake 3 and Half-Life, for the most part. It's just that of the three Quakes, Quake has the most long-lived single-player experience.

Half-Life was competing against Quake 2, which was a year old by the time Half-Life came out. I think the general consensus is that Half-Life is just a much better game than Quake 2. Quake 2 had a much better competitive multiplayer experience than Half-Life (my opinion), but Half-Life was much more fun for casual play. The players that moved from Quake to Quake 2 moved to Half-Life.

Steam wasn't a major factor early in Half-Life's release cycle. Half-Life was released in 1998, and Steam didn't come out until 2003. Before then, you'd update Quake, Quake 2, and Half-Life the same way... you'd see a news article on Planet Quake or Planet Half-Life about a new patch and download it, or you'd connect to a server and you'd get an error message. Quake did get updates for a fairly long time, considering... QuakeWorld 2.33 came out in December 1998, when Half-Life was already out. Quake 2 got updates for a while as well, but the online experience of Quake 3 was far superior, and Quake 2's single-player campaign just wasn't great, so not many people cared about Quake 2 updates late in the game's lifecycle.

> Back in the day Quake series was the big games, not Counterstrike. ID Softwares lack of investment opened up the door for Valve.

> It was theirs to loose and they lost it.

Half-Life was just a better game, overall, than Quake 2. It wasn't a lack of investment.

There are various theories revolving around the major "personalities" at ID Software, but I think it's enough to just say that Quake 2 was not as good as Half-Life.

Well, what many other games (System Shock, Half-Life etc. etc.) had, and the id games definitely lacked, was simply a coherent story (other than "go in, shoot the monsters/bad guys and try not to get killed"), which (at least for some players) adds a whole layer of depth and motivation...

For what we'd today consider the "hardcore" players, the Dooms and Quakes were all about multiplayer deathmatch. Most of the players I knew didn't care at all about single player. LAN parties were big. In 1994, you couldn't find a campus computer lab not taken over by DOOM deathmatches. Remember SERSETUP and TCPSETUP? Online multiplayer matchmaking was in its early days, but that's already where the "scene" was. You had DWANGO for Doom. Then a guy called Scott Coleman and a few others hacked TCPSETUP to create iDoom, vastly improving network game initiation. This eventually turned into the Kali gaming service. Later, more advanced matchmaking services like Qspy (which later turned into the GameSpy business) made it even easier. I recall running what may possibly have been the first Doom 2 Internet tournament from my dorm room. When QTest came out in 1996, it was multiplayer only. No single player. We all played the shit out of those three preview levels, and I don't think when the full Quake was eventually released I even played the single player game.

Multiplayer (Dooms/Quakes) and mods (mostly just Quakes, due to the difficulty of modding Doom), were the two huge drivers of those games' scenes.

> Half-Life was competing against Quake 2, which was a year old by the time Half-Life came out.

Half-Life is even more impressive when you compare its state around the time of Quake2's launch to the final game that shipped a year later:

https://half-life.fandom.com/wiki/Half-Life_Alpha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h7bTo5xLyQ

I have fond memories of mastering the physics engine of Quake and its quirks ;-)

Bunny hopping and circle jumping were real cool. Mastering those moves made for such a fun gaming experience.

I love the fact that they're ignoring 25 years of modding.

Maybe the headline does, but the article does not.

Then you could say every game (not "every" literally, but a lot of them) is always being updated. But "being updated" implies to nearly 100% of people you'd use that phrase to that it's the original vendor doing it, even if it were simply giving mods their public stamp of approval.

Original vendor in name only. The quake team has been scattered to the winds and Id Software has been acquired.

Quake I is literally the only game I want to play (I play video games like few hours per year, but memories of the Quake I multiplayer blooshed back in the student years are pretty much alive).

Does anyone have a good link on how to run Quake on Macbook M1? I've tried Steam, Wine and some other resources, but couldn't make it work. :/

Does this not work? https://formulae.brew.sh/cask/quakespasm

You're going to need a custom engine. MacOS won't let you execute 32-bit code anymore, so you'd need a pretty complicated VM setup to make things work.

Quake Remastered is a 64 bit engine, so maybe that will work?

I would try to compile

- QuakeSpasm-Spiked, modified QuakeSpasm with framerate-independent physics and other improvements: https://triptohell.info/moodles/qss/

- FTE QW, will let you play singleplayer, multiplayer, and I think even Quake II (and III?): https://fte.triptohell.info/

- QuakeSpasm (sibling comment has a link)

If all else fails, I know some QW guys are playing on M1 using ezquake. That's really a multiplayer engine and I wouldn't recommend it for SP but it could do if you're desperate.

quake. used to play it on darkplaces engine like 7 years ago, would say Quake is my part of childhood in the modern age haha. Wonder if this update will be compatible to DPE?

I've heard of this game from older gamers, but have never played it. I wonder if it will work on Windows 10 with a 2000Hz keyboard / mouse, 10K DPI, 3080 and G-Sync 240Hz 4K. It is truly amazing how far we've come with titles like Fortnite and Battlefield from this.

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