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"Microsoft Edge runs on the same technology as Chrome, with the added trust of Microsoft."

They named their user tracking, telemetry, and "Buy Now, Pay Later" add-ons "trust"? That's really Orwellian.

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"WAR IS PEACE"

"FREEDOM IS SLAVERY"

"IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"

"TRACKING IS SAFETY"

"CHOICE IS DEFAULT"

Literally 1984 /s

But really I feel like people jump to the antiauthoritarian rhetoric really quickly nowadays. I know your making a joke, but damn if I'm not worried we're kind of normalizing the concept

I'm struggling to understand how that quote could be anything but satire

Google's has been bashed so consistently on privacy issues on mainstream media that non-techies often associate them with creepy data collection.

Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters. They're often seen by the public as the solid company behind trusted products like Office and Windows.

> Microsoft hasn't been in the news as much, at least not regarding privacy matters.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12305598

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9976298

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10053352

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10144733

...and many more.

You're proving my point. The sources you linked are the eff, a techie's personal blog, arstechnica, and forbes. With the exception of forbes they're all tech niches.

Now look at mainstream media. CNN alone has 230K results for google privacy [0]. How many results for microsoft privacy? 16k [1]

[0]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com%20google%20pr...

[1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acnn.com+microsoft+pri...

You're being intentionally obtuse. Google is a search engine product and a company. Microsoft is just a company. It stands to reason more people would search for the former.

The same search for bing has 5000 results.

Lol who searches for bing info on Google? Seriously?

Good lord. This is a search of the articles on the website cnn.com using Google search. It’s not Google Trends.

I chuckled a bit upon seeing those links but quickly realized that DDG gets its results from Bing and Altavista isn't around anymore.

However clean, possibly less bubbled browser, gets number over twice larger on the second link.

HN is on the fore-front of this Google bashing. Just look at this comment on another HN thread about "buy now, pay later". Here's the comment [1] which justifies MS actions:

> Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go back in time and start cutting features out of browsers. So that isn't going to happen

Google develops Chromium and Google gets constantly bashed for selling ads. MS modifies Chromium and adds their own branding and sell ads. MS is just trying to cover their development cost.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29354937

These are multi billion dollar companies that siphon money from all sorts of avenues powered by people’s ability to use the web. It is in their interest to develop these browsers. But they don’t have to syphon even more money from people by doing so. I don’t agree with your assessment.

> Google's has been bashed so consistently on privacy issues on mainstream media that non-techies often associate them with creepy data collection

What? Every non-tech person I see is happily running Google Chrome and has never even considered Firefox. Hell, I think most still think Google is one of the "good guys".

Non-tech people still trust Google much more than Microsoft. Microsoft is bad, but they haven't made your data their core business just yet.

>Non-tech people still trust Google much more than Microsoft. Microsoft is bad, but they haven't made your data their core business just yet.

That's pretty interesting claim, what makes you think so?

There is nothing interesting or crazy about my statement. Microsoft sells software and services and has done so for the past 35 years. They started getting interested in people data recently but it is not their CORE business. How is this controversial?

I never heard non-tech people talking about whether they trust MS or Google more, like seriously :D

It alludes to the hypocrisy in the claim:

> "with the added trust of Microsoft"

Hijacking a competitor's page demonstrates that Microsoft lacks integrity and cannot be trusted

The definition of trust that security professionals use is that A trusts B if B has some way to do something bad to A. A can stop trusting B by taking steps to eliminate the ability of B to harm A.

So, the statement "Microsoft Edge runs on the same technology as Chrome, with the added trust of Microsoft" actually means "Microsoft Edge runs on the same technology as Chrome, with the added ability for Microsoft to screw you over".

It just means Microsoft trusts this technology.

But they developed it!

> I hate saving money,’ said no one ever. Microsoft Edge is the best browser for online shopping.

I hate having Microsoft scan my online shopping carts so they can collect data and hijack affiliate commissions. Do they think we're dumb?

Someone in their marketing run a survey of which brand is more trusted and they are playing on that card. The question would be did the survey cover both consumers and enterprise users as I think the answers to these would be different.

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